Dean is always first....

I just read a news article on that Iraq $$ bill that was voted on today in the senate. That was an authorization for funds, not the appropriations bill which guarantees the money. What was said was the fight will be on with appropriations bill because that will say how the Money is to be spent. They can decide to have the money spent for redeployment etc. It'll be a battle. I felt a little better after I read that article. So, it's not over yet. The dems did not totally cave on it yet. They better fight like he!!....

i smell someone else's dinner through the open door.

SC state Democratic chair...afraid to go to Florida..."I'm afraid people might shoot me"

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1533

"South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler, who played a lead role in drafting the DNC rules and candidate pledge not to campaign in Florida, said she feels bad about this, really she does, but everybody knew the rules from the start.

"I like Florida, and I love to go there, but I'm afraid to go down there right now. I'm afraid people might shoot me," she quipped. "

Carol Fowler, SC

Steve Geller, FL

Sorry about the all bold text.   Wasn't paying attention. 

geller's a non-player in my state. in fact if he comes here
there's an ass whippin' waiting for him.

I just read a news article on that Iraq $$ bill that was voted on today in the senate. That was an authorization for funds, not the appropriations bill which guarantees the money. What was said was the fight will be on with appropriations bill because that will say how the Money is to be spent. They can decide to have the money spent for redeployment etc. It'll be a battle. I felt a little better after I read that article. So, it's not over yet. The dems did not totally cave on it yet. They better fight like he!! 

<>C'mon now. Do you REALLY think the same DCDems who have caved to Bush for 7 long years are going to stand up to him now -- after they just attacked their own base and gave Bush his casus belli for attacking Iran?

Well, it took me a long time to figure out just what most DCDems really are, so it shouldn't surprise me if it takes some others longer. 

Phoney War Rages Unabated........

Today, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) gave a speech on the Senate floor condemning Rush Limbaugh for calling troops who support American withdrawal from Iraq “phony soldiers.” He urged his colleagues — both Democratic and Republican — to sign a letter of disapproval to the CEO of Clear Channel.

Instead, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) — who voted to criticize MoveOn.org — has decided to commend Limbaugh. Today at 3:16 PM, Kingston introduced a resolution “[c]ommending Rush Hudson Limbaugh III for his ongoing public support of American troops serving both here and abroad.”

From the resolution:

Whereas Mr. Limbaugh’s commitment to American troops serving both here and abroad remains as strong as ever: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives–

(1) recognizes Rush Hudson Limbaugh III for his support of the Marine Corp Law Enforcement Foundation and for providing free subscriptions for active-duty servicemembers;

(2) recognizes Mr Limbaugh’s desire to see American troops achieve a successful outcome in Iraq, Afghanistan and wherever soldiers are stationed; and

(3) commends Mr. Limbaugh’s tireless public support for American troops and their families through radio broadcasts, fundraising and other public support.

Stick and stones.......... Good grief, what losers these people are.

"The War"  It's very exhausting emotionally and once again, the American generals appear to be incompetent; ie Bradley sending men into the Arden forest thinking the Germans had already gone and were defeated.  Did I hear correctly that the US sent in high school boys with almost no basic training to replace them? 

And why did we bomb Dresden and other German cities when no one was left there except women and children? Did we set a precedent in that war with wanton killing?

Then there was the excuse for bombing Japanese cities, killing thousands of civilians.

Tomorrow night the series ends and there seemed to be no inclusion of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.  I hope Burns doesn't let the US get off that hook nor do I understand why we dropped A bombs, since the earlier bombing pretty much killed thousands already.  Again, we set a precedent for cruelty and total disregard for civilians IMO;

We started out the good guys; now I'm not sure we ended up that way.  Japan and Germany were already as good as defeated when we A bombed Japan.  

This series really needs to be a required course in high school and I'll be glad to see the series end tomorrow.  It's leaving me heavy. 

1. Bush Makes Surprise Visit To Work
2. Google Launches 'The Google' For Older Adults
3. Chinese Authorities Execute 10 Million Recalled Toys

9. seashell :-)
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The atomic bomb is an awesome weapon, and the fear of a nuclear war holocaust is bone-chilling, but the use of the bombs in Japan really was not nearly as terrible for loss of life as bombing in Germany that killed nearly 600,000 civilians and fire-bombing of Tokyo that killed hundred of thousands.

But the most "humane" aspect of the nuclear bombing was that the Japanese were prepared to fight to the death. The Imperial military state had told their people they would be tortured, raped, humiliated and eaten by Americans. The Japanese culture prefers death to dishonor, and hudreds of thousands, maybe even millions would have committed suicide, had we invaded. The country would have had to be taken town by town, city by city, door to door, or simply bombed into submission like Germany, but much worse.

Not sure of the figures but I believe there were about 300,000 deaths by the two nuclear bombs, plus many chronic fatal illnesses from radiation. The shock of the two bombs brought the leaders to their senses and ordered the Japanese people to surrender peacefully. 300,000 seems like a lot, but when I studied the history and culture, I realized it was a fraction of the probable number that would have died had we invaded, and that is not counting the American soldiers who would have died.

The emperor of Japan surrendered, but many of the top military leaders wanted to continue fighting, even after the two atomic bombs. It was suicidal, but that is what their culture taught them, and many truly believed the god(s) were on their side, so long as they did not dishonor themselves.

We are making a tango calendar and next Dec. is a photo of all the Portland teachers.  Here it is.  I don't know if you can enlarge it but I don't want to take up bandwidth here.

I think there was even a plot to assassinate the Emporer because he was going to announce a surrender. And that was after the two bombs dropped. Watch tomorrow. I think Burns will explain it all.

Yes, you can make it bigger by clicking on view image (with a mac)

Battery Problem with First-Gen Hybrids

All cars face repair bills after hitting 100,000 miles or more. Did we think hybrids would be any different?

From the first days when hybrids hit American roads in 2000, consumers have worried about expensive battery replacement costs. But reported cases of hybrid battery failure have been almost impossible to find. Suddenly, in the last couple of days, there were two posts in the HybridCars.com discussion forum from hybrid owners with battery woes.

http://www.hybridcars.com/news2/first-ge...

Japan was on the verge on collapse in August 1945. They were only holding out to save their emperor -- which was conceded to them prior to surrender anyway. There was no military need to use the atomic bombs.

The bombs were dropped for three reasons.

The USSR had just declared war on Japan and invaded its northernmost island. The US was therefor despertate to end the war immediately rather than wait for Japan to collapse in a matter of weeks or months -- which was the only outcome possible since they had no ability to import food, fuel, and raw materials and their industry was destroyed.

They also wanted to test the bombs on cities that were undamaged. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no military or industrial targets of value and had been spared from the type of terror bombing inflicted upon Tokyo and other cities for that very peurpose.

And third, they hated Germany and Japan.  And since the war in Europe ended before they could bomb German cities, they killed as many Japanese as they could.

Truman had enough sense to sign over command of the bombs to the military and thus spared himself the direct responsibilty to history for their use.  He took back direct control of nuclear weapons immediately afterward.

I expect what I just said will freak out some people, but the whole excuse for using the bombs, that, "Invading Japan would have cost a million casulaties," is hogwash since invading never was necessary to achieve the same result in the end.

Anyone interested in the documentation to back up (most of) what I've said can read the last chapters of B.H. Liddel Hart's seminal book History Of The Second World War  -- considered by historians to be the best work on the subject.

Thank you, Sitka, altho I don't quite see why the collapse and the USSR were connected...unless then the US would have had no excuse to drop the bombs, which they didn't have IMO.

Japan was collapsing.   I suspect your number 2 and 3 are on target so to speak.  The wholesale killing of civilians in Germany sounds to me like pure hatred...same with dropping the A bombs.

Your post didn't freak me out a bit.  It was rage, overkill and the effing military wanting to test its new toys. 

It was the beginning of the end of this country and the rise of the MIC IMO. 

mprov

batteries last much longer if kept fully charged at all times

there needs to be special parking lots for plug in electrical cars that turn the whole group into a shared battery connected to a wind turbine so they could all work as electrical storage while staying fully charged during the work day

dancing must be something like being a deaniac, according to the smiles on your faces, seashell

sorry Fred  my battery response was to you

I'm headed to Madison to the Dairy Expo today so won't be around. Rain has slowed harvest. still no little donna

the war authorization without paygo guarantees that the next President will face serious inflationary pressure

Carter was set up for failure the same way.

a DOW at 14000 is no big deal with $.40 dollars, the cheapening value of the dollar has happened faster than the increase in the minimum wage, I hope no one pretends the working poor are better off

Good monring, everybody

Safe trip Phil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG6X-xtVask

Voting in the Texas Legislature.  Can we say free-wheeling? 

occupation is hell.

get out now.

monks died for freedom.

we are sitting on our ars.

The Dems say they will stop the war and get elected. They vote to fund the war. Maybe the DNC should train the Dems, and tell them they need to follow what they were elected to do. I will not vote for someone who funds the war.

Sheri missed one............

By EILEEN SULLIVAN – 12 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Monday defended the construction of a fence along the southwest border, saying it's actually better for the environment than what happens when people illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico line.

"Illegal migrants really degrade the environment. I've seen pictures of human waste, garbage, discarded bottles and other human artifact in pristine areas," Chertoff said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "And believe me, that is the worst thing you can do to the environment."

BTW--blog clock is off again.  My computer says it's now 7:23 AM EDT

Democratic loyalists should brace themselves for a lot more Democrat-bashing the way their congressweenies are behaving.

Take back the congress and still let the weakest, most unpopular president ever mock and bully you into giving him everything he wants.

Democrats are the majority, but Republicans are still controlling the agenda, and winning!

and yes Monica, the blog clock is off by 12 minutes, which probably helps explain why posts are getting scrambled.

It's so easy to reset it.

International backgammon update from today........................

Beat Holland, beat Japan, lost to England

Chris Mathews is trying to incite the Democrats to burn at the stake Sen Hillary Clinton and all the people around her.  Says they will take us to war. 

Well Chris where were you in 2002 and 2003 (my G@d where have you ever been)?  No way in hell WE should follow Chris Mathews.

Doh, Chris has a new book out.  Well then, DO NOT BUY his book.

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mathews saying that one dollar contributed to a candidate becomes an account receivable for that contributor.

> Ya right, Chris you horses A$$

From Los Angelos With Love --

-- the name is Rodriguez, Patty Rodriguez:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mls/news;_ylt=AmT5YN31Jdg6LQMYKY0qKEGkvrYF?slug=ro-100107petition&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

By Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports
October 1, 2007

In soccer, heartbreak and anguish are usually delivered in the form of dramatic late goals, controversial red cards or nail-biting penalty shootouts.

But for Patty Rodriguez, the Beautiful Game turned ugly when it took her boyfriend Michael Munoz – then of Chivas USA – 400 miles north to San Francisco and strained their relationship.

Munoz spent this season with California Victory of the United Soccer Leagues (USL) after Chivas released him following an ankle injury. For Rodriguez, an assistant producer with the "On Air With Ryan Seacrest" morning radio program in Los Angeles, that meant months of long-distance telephone calls, fleeting visits to the Bay Area and countless tears.

After an emotional phone call last week, Rodriguez decided to take drastic action to get her man back to Southern California. She took the remarkable step of starting an online petition aimed at convincing Chivas brass to allow Munoz to revitalize his Major League Soccer career.

She has already convinced over 800 well-wishers to sign up and although she admits to being a "hopeless romantic," she is determined to prove she isn't pursuing a hopeless cause.

"It has been such an emotional time," Rodriguez told Yahoo! Sports. "Playing soccer is what Mike loves doing more than anything and I believe in him and want him to be happy.

"I miss him so much when he is not here, but I know he can't come back unless it is for soccer. I started thinking whether there was anything I could do to get him back here and the idea of a petition suddenly struck me.

"If Mike could come back to Chivas, it would be the best thing in the world for me. He could pursue his dream of playing in MLS and we could be together."

...

Curling getting ready to return for the fall.

I helped lay the markings on the ice this past weekend.

Potomac Curling Club

Open House(s) October 11th and 14th

http://curldc.org 

I'm the idiot in short sleeves. 

30. typo - Los Angelos  s/b - Los Angeles

31.

Rich -

What's with the St. Andrew flag ?

Hi Borgie --

Seashell are you in the tango picture?

I enjoyed reading Sitka and Fred on the A bomb on Japan. Thoughtful posts. I'm sure we did awful stuff in that war (all wars) but think of what Hitler was up to. Last night on THE WAR an American soldier spoke of capturing a German. He said the German spoke accentless English. The German knew exactly where Waterbury CT was -- the names of the rivers. When asked how he knew so much, the German said that he was in training for 'administration of the colonies.' Also, remember that the Japanese (and unlike today's war, don't think there's any argument on who the perp was) went to Pearl Harbor and bombed the h*ll out of our Navy. There's no question in my mind that we had to fight that war. Now the current one, on the other hand.......

A caller on Wash Journal said Leiberman should be declared an enemy of the state.

I had some other brilliant comment, but it will have to wait since I can't remember it.

Have a nice day :~) Deaniacs.

USA 2  Spain 1 International backgammon

* rdorgan
Tue, 10/02/07
8:37 am
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Curling is a Scottish game................

35.

Oh. ok.

I always assumed it was a Canadian game.

So that means that hurling was invented in Ireland and curling in Scotland.

Interesting.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22414...

New thread - I christened it.

Thank you, Sitka, altho I don't quite see why the collapse and the USSR were connected...unless then the US would have had no excuse to drop the bombs, which they didn't have IMO.

They wanted to end the war before the USSR occupied any more Japanese territory. 

Black Listed News
October 01, 2007

H.R.2640 has passed the House with an unrecorded voice vote, and is slated to enter the Senate under a unanimous consent agreement to limit debate. This will, in effect, steamroll the passage of a bill that will serve to strip 2nd Amendment liberties away from citizens diagnosed with mental illnesses.

The bill aims to ease the transfer of mental health records into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) database. It will effectively criminalize “a person [who] has been adjudicated as mentally defective or committed to a mental institution” and permanently revoke their ability to own or purchase a firearm. This overly-broad term will criminalize a wide range of mental illnesses, including ADHD, Alzheimer’s Syndrome, or Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Another source of data will be the records of students identified with behavioral disabilities under the IDEA Program.

This bill is being referred to as the “McCarthy Bill” and is on its way to the Senate floor. Please let your Senator know your feelings about this unjust bill that aims to deprive citizens of their liberties without due process and further stigmatize our veterans and other people with mental health disorders.

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MARCUS OSCARSSON
Daily Mail
1st October 2007

Thousands of protesters are dead and the bodies of hundreds of executed monks have been dumped in the jungle, a former intelligence officer for Burma’s ruling junta has revealed.

The most senior official to defect so far, Hla Win, said: “Many more people have been killed in recent days than you’ve heard about. The bodies can be counted in several thousand.”

Mr Win, who spoke out as a Swedish diplomat predicted that the revolt has failed, said he fled when he was ordered to take part in a massacre of holy men. He has now reached the border with Thailand.

Meanwhile, the United Nations special envoy was in Burma’s new capital today seeking meetings with the ruling military junta.

Ibrahim Gambari met detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi in Rangoon yesterday. But he has yet to meet the country’s senior generals as he attempts to halt violence against monks and pro-democracy activists.

It is anticipated the meeting will happen tomorrow.

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David Bloom
September 29, 2007

The Burmese junta currently shooting unarmed protestors received a cynical plea for restraint from the Israel government on Sept. 29. According to the Israeli paper Ha’aretz, the Israeli foreign ministry announced “Israel is concerned by the situation in Myanmar, and urges the government to demonstrate restraint and refrain from harming demonstrators.” The article ended by pointing out that “Israel denies selling weapons to Burma or Myanmar.” (Ha’aretz, Sept. 29)

Not true, according to a March 1, 2000 report in the authoritative British publication Jane’s Intelligence Review by William Ashton. The article, titled “Myanmar and Israel develop military pact,” details how Israeli companies and the Israeli government have been supplying and developing weapons for the Burmese regime, and sharing intelligence: