Howard Dean is first.  Slow primary season without him.

The right wing must immediately denounce Fred Thompson or be hypocritical.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1492

And I see Florida and Michigan are after the DNC and the good doctor again.  They want to know if he is bullying NH like he bullied them.

More on that later.   I think Karen Thurman has turned control of the party over to Bill Nelson for all these annoying things.  

floridagal .
Tue, 09/11/07
11:17 pm

Don't worry i'm all over Thompson here in his own back yard. He's dust in the wind.

repost

Hi everyone,

It was sooo very telling ...

Republican Senator John Warner asked General Petraeus if the current strategy in Iraq "will make America safer."

Petraeus: "I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq."

Warner repeated: "Does that make America safer?"

Petraeus: "I don't know, actually."

After the pResident Traitor-in-Chief has been hypnotizing the American public, admittedly propogandizing intentionally, for years now this General can't even pull off a straight-faced lie.

The 'objectives' are clear as a bell, domination and oil. I feel he may be lying - knowing those objectives, or even the many other reasons for the attack and occupation of this soverign people, were not in fact going to ever make us safer.

As the oddest quirk to grace future history books, both George H. Walker Bush and Dick Cheney made the public case against invading Iraq long ago.

Will the history books have the chapter where the Congress came to the rescue of the Iraqi, the world, and our own society???
Will Howard Dean and his pose be part of that rescue???

The Democrats have the numbers to deny funding the continuation of this tragedy. There are billionaire supporters of the current pResident who can saddle up to fund it longer if that is what in anyones interest(as if that will happen).

Someone wrote about being concerned with 'cleaning' equipment a factor that slows a withdrawl. Yeah, bite me. Leave it for the Iraqi, they'll need it.

OUT NOW!!

So, the dysfunctional and incapable Iraqi government came up with the eighteen benchmarks that they can't meet....have failed miserably. Sen Hagel reminded me about that today in today's Iraq Quagmire testimony.

He also said the British have lost the war in the south of Iraq. I always had my doubts about the British....especially such an important region to be left to their realm of responsibility.

Sen. Kerry is talking about the British retreat from that very important region in the south of Iraq.

"It is offensive that our Commander in Chief has ordered a four star General to mislead Congress."

Go DFA!!

"We did, Seashell? "

I knew,Paine, as  others here prolly knew.  Everyone that putz has on his payroll is a shill.  And Betrayus wasn't even  sworn  in.  He's been used, and at least had the decency to finally answer Warner honestly.

What must our poor soldiers be thinking and feeling,  knowing that they're dying for oil, power, Israel and possibly drugs.  I don't know how they can keep going, but if they're anything like my high school love, who came back from Nam drug and alcohol addicted and died of them, they are hitting the drugs and booze.  The problems of drug and alcohol addictions in the ranks of our soldiers is never discussed, but I believe it's a huge problem...or will be. 

"It is offensive that our Commander in Chief has ordered a four star General to mislead Congress."

Let's change the word offensive to impeachable. 

Gore! 

OT
(re: Verdi Requiem at Chandler Pavillion LA on Sunday)
Love this line
http://www.variety.com/review/VE11179346...
The vocal forces were wonderful, most of all the spectacular German basso René Pape in his long-prayed-for local debut, chilling all spinal columns as he sang of "Death and Nature, standing amazed on Judgment Day."

Sen. Kerry is talking about the British retreat from that very important region in the south of Iraq.

The Brits have enough experience at empire losing to know when the jig is up. It will take our neophyte NeoCons and NeoDems many more dollars and lives to figure it out. 

Seashell

I go along with changing offensive to impeachable, but that was a quote of a statement put out by our own DFA. It sounded apropriately Deanlike.

September 7, 2007
Bush on Iraq: 'We're kicking ass'

"We're kicking ass," Bush said to Vaile Tuesday, according the Herald, after the deputy prime minister inquired about his trip to Iraq.

--------

Well, the British sure aren't whoopin' anybody's butt....they're retreating from Basra. Thats not good at all.

Can we encourage the British to stand fast?

Get Tony Blair on the phone....he'll listen.

I just saw this in the Alternet article from Matt Bai's new book.   It is about what Bill Clinton said in Austin in response to a question about Iraq.

http://www.alternet.org/story/60305/?page=3

"In probably the book's most riveting scene, former President Bill Clinton shows up as a surprise guest at the Austin DA confab. After Clinton's usual smooth presentation, Guy Saperstein, one of America's most successful trial lawyers and a DA expert in foreign affairs and healthcare, rose to ask a question. Saperstein mentioned that John Edwards had already apologized about voting to authorize the Iraq war. "Why shouldn't every Democrat who voted for the war -- including presumably Hillary Clinton -- do the same thing? How were Democrats supposed to have any credibility if they wouldn't admit when they had been so calamitously wrong."

Clinton quickly went ballistic: "He leaned forward belligerently and pointed a finger at Saperstein. 'You're wrong,' he said. 'Everything you just said is totally wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.'" He went on to explain away Hillary's vote on the war and tell Saperstein he wasn't productive. "Only in this party do we eat our own. You can go on misrepresenting and bashing our own people, but I am sick and tired of it."

Clinton later apologized and realized he had made an error, but it was too late for many of the people in Austin. On the surface, the exchange had been about the war, but it symbolized much more: "It had been about Clintonism itself and the centrist governing ethos that had led the party to this place in its history." To the progressives, Clinton's desire to remake the Democratic Party "had stripped the party of its moral authority."

Bai documents Clinton's attempts to patch up what almost all attendees perceived to be a defensive reaction from the former president. Some sensed deeply that the exchange represented the chasm between the more issue-oriented and anti-war progressives -- probably a majority of the DA -- and the "pragmatic" insiders who prefer to steamroll dissent."

Kind of sad. 

More on Bill Nelson and Florida later.

I can't figure out why this isn't getting more press attention - - AP filed a Freedom of Info Act and got a bunch of info on Gitmo and abuses there:

Guantanamo detainees tell of abuses
By ANDREW O. SELSKY, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Detainees flinging body waste at guards. Guards interrupting detainees at prayer. Interrogators withholding medicine. Hostility and tension between inmates and their keepers at the Guantanamo Bay prison are evident in transcripts obtained by The Associated Press.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070912/ap_o...

Good morning, but don't worry, I'm going back to sleep. I just had a couple of ideas that couldn't keep til the morning.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/12/...

What's the difference between free media and paid media? When the money runs out, the paid media stops. Vide McCain.

Anyway, if Bill Clinton could be the first black President, why not let Dodd be the First Gringo?

What do you think?

17. The usual lag time for the corporate media to get on a story is between three and six months.

Malloy turned me onto this.  Stats that will turn your hair gray or make it fall out.  How the public felt before and then after Betrayus.

http://www.mediacurves.com/Politics/J6491/ 

Dodd could be the first Latino prez.  Maybe.

I'm still gulping over the stats from MediaCurves. 

What, generally were the stats, they weren't readable for me.

Ed Schultz will have Kucinich on his program for three hours today ...live blogging for questions.

Audrey:

Repugs, dems and indies all showed marked jumps in their approval of bush's military objectives (the surge)...that they have been met...even the dems' stats went up.

So we are left with what?  Gullible people?  Politically unsavvy people? People blinded by authority figures? People too dumb to vote intelligently?  People not paying attention?  Didn't they listen for god's sake to him saying that he didn't know if we were safer?

20. this is a very peculiar way to present summary information. My MAC can download it and open it, but I won't. It will have to be saved on your hard-drive and may well contain a virus.

But, sea, why would you believe BetrayUs when he says he doesn't know and not believe what he says he does know? If he's a liar, nothing is to be believed.
Most people aren't prepared to deal with liars. Probably because they don't like to think that they can be deceived. Most everybody's tempted to say, "hey, I'm too smart to be taken in."

Play the second video in this set. It's called "Liar"

http://johpadgett.com/monticello/?p=395

Polls are unreliable because people lie.

Obama impressed me yesterday. I'm going to give him another look.

tracking polls show that people change their minds constantly too

One of the reasons the cabal wanted to control Iraqi oil was to keep it from flooding the market and driving down prices for the Cheney buddies.

things are just fine if you are an oil producer

prepare yourself for a dollar plunge(and the inevitable $100 oil) if the Fed panics and lowers interest a half point

they are using high gas prices as a brake on the economy to keep the cheap dollars from being inflationary

works at their level but is hell on working people driving to work and will lead to cost/push inflation which will steal savings just as reliably as demand/pull   

mark warner is going to run for senate in Va. Looks like I am going to be the perrenial campaign worker.

friday....................fundraiser breakfast with jim webb

sat a.m. ...................fundraiser breakfast with tim kaine

sat pm.....................bbq at  mark warners farm

what can I say>

30 - yahoo! (no rest for the wicked, they say!)

Thank you, Mark!

btw, I was impressed with Obama and Webb at the hearings. I even thought Biden did a good job.

but that joementum, he will have us in Iran in no time.
Connecticut, get control of your warmonger, PLEASE!

video of idiotJoe:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004...

For the late risers who don't have time to read whole thread:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/12/...

a nice story that came from the tragedy of 9/11/2001...

South Burlington, Vermont - September 11, 2007

In a photo that now hangs in the TSA screeners' briefing room at the Burlington International Airport, Peter Goodrich appears deep in thought. He is smiling just slightly, almost as if he's pondering how his future will turn out. He looks optimistic, and his mom says he was.

Sally Goodrich explains, "Most of all, he was a great respecter of life. He was just a person who embraced life. Wonderful. A lot of fun, just a great human being."

Sally and Don Goodrich lost their son six years ago, when terrorists turned his plane into a missile aimed at the World Trade Center. Don Goodrich says, "There have been moments of rage."

But the couple quickly realized they could heal through helping others, launching an attack of their own on problems they believe foster terrorism: poverty and a lack of education in Afghanistan.

Sally Goodrich says, "We used as a rationale the 9/11 Commission's recommendation that Americans rebuild schools, libraries, and student exchange programs."

So their Bennington home became a home base: a depository for donated school supplies and a fundraising center for the Peter Goodrich Memorial Foundation. The money built a school for girls in an Afghan village called Logar. They also supported two other schools and orphanages, and dug wells.

more:
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=7...

30. You know, one of our hard workers was complaining the other day about it never letting up. So, I asked her if she'd rather be crocheting doilies. Turned out her mother had tried and failed to interest her in crocheting, so it was just the right question. :)

What would linab rather be doing? :)

Obama impressed me yesterday. I'm going to give him another look.

+++

Phil -

Thanks for the openness. (that son of your's must be having an influence too ?)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/on-heels-of-911.html

September 11, 2007 12:02 PM

Justin Rood Reports:

Just days after the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, Hillary Clinton and several Democratic lawmakers will be getting uncomfortably cozy with moneyed interests who have stood to reap billions in post-9/11 homeland security spending, watchdog groups say.

On the sixth anniversary of the attacks which killed nearly 3,000 people, Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton is slated to attend a sober memorial service near Manhattan's Ground Zero.

One week later, the junior New York senator is scheduled to speak at a homeland security-themed, $1,000-a-plate fundraiser for her campaign in the downtown Washington, D.C. offices of a powerful legal firm.

"Being a week after 9/11, it appears unseemly and politically opportunistic," said Steve Ellis, a former Coast Guard officer who is now vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington, D.C. good government group.

Clinton's fundraising audience is expected to include many of the government contractors and lobbyists whose fortunes have soared in the years since the attacks, which triggered a massive government reorganization and billions in new government spending.

But that's not the only objectionable feature of the event, critics say.

For the price of a ticket -- from a $1,000 personal donation to a $25,000 bundle –- attendees will get a special treat after the luncheon: an opportunity to participate in small, hour-long "breakout sessions" hosted by key Democratic lawmakers, many of whom chair important subcommittees on the Homeland Security committee.

...

You never want to see lawmakers trading on their national security credentials...to people making large donations," Ellis concurred. 

The break-out sessions include:

First Responders, with Reps. Henry Cuellar, Texas (chair, Emergency Communications, Preparedness, and Response Subcommittee of Homeland Security Committee) and Nita Lowey, N.Y. (Appropriations, Homeland Security Committee)

Intelligence and Information Sharing, with Reps. Jane Harman, Calif. (chair, Intelligence, Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment Subcommittee of Homeland Security Committee) and C. A. "Dutch" Ruppersburger, Md. (chair, Technical and Tactical Intelligence Subcommittee of intelligence committee)

Border, Maritime and Global Counterterrorism, with Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas (chair, Transportation Security and Infrastructure Protection Subcommittee of Homeland Security Committee) and Jerrold Nadler, N.Y. (Transportation and Infrastructure Committee; Judiciary Committee)

Science and Technology, with Reps. Jim Langevin, R.I. (chair, Emerging Threats, Cybersecurity, Science and Technology Subcommittee of Homeland Security Committee; intelligence committee) and Ellen Tauscher, Calif. (chair, Strategic Forces Subcommittee of Armed Services Committee)

National Security, with Reps. Kendrick Meek, Fla. (Armed Services Committee) and Joseph Sestak, Pa. (Armed Services Committee)

"Political fundraising should have no relationship to policy recommendations," said Brian, a former policy analyst for Congress. "Most of these [participants] are seasoned policymakers. How can they not see this as wrong?" It only made things worse, she said, that the event was centered around so sensitive and vital a topic as homeland security.

...

Organization Against Terrorism in Pakistan took a poll.

75pct oppose military action against Al Qaeda and Taliban

Aproval Ratings
46 percent for Osama Bin (not) Forgotten
38 percent for Musharraf
9 percent for George W Bush

Bush To Announce He Will Keep 160,000 Troops In Iraq Until Next Summer, Then Cut To 130,000

Thus exposing Democratic timidity even more.......................

no 36.  sleeping.

bush is going to draw down the guys he just sent???????????/

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

out now.

New Thread and I am it.

AMERICA EXERCISES

http://www.blogforamerica.com/

New thread is up.

30.

Not to be a spoilsport.  Mark Warner is a nice guy, smart, and certainly was a better Governor than anyone the GOP would put up, but he's a classic corporate Democrat.  Shoot, he comes from a business background.  He's a Blue Dog.  He'll be another vote for the "get along" coalition, probably not as bad as Joe Lieberman, but far from someone who supported Howard Dean can be happy with.

The "Rockefeller Republican" caucus in my local committee, I'm sure, will tell me that's what we need to win in Virginia.  I don't believe that.

In a local appearance last night, Warner said, "voters were reaching out to candidates willing to work for reasonable solutions to the state's problems rather than to impose their own ideology."

The lede from a"Virginiaian Pilot" story says " Former Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat, is widely expected to announce his candidacy for the U.S. Senate on Thursday, pledging to bring a spirit of bipartisanship to Washington."

Can't we do better?  Why doesn't Bobby Scott make a run, for example?