Dean is the firstiest

Howard Dean is FIRST.

I'll go alert the others. 

Hi Annilow!

5. Hi yourself Ms Little and your chickie too.

I mean Mz Little and I mean 4. D*mn I'm goin' to bed.

No prob Annilow.  SHe won't mind.  She can't read. :o)

Maybe not,  but she speaks well on the phone!  LOL

DNÇ was closed when I called....tomorrow.

I'm not aware of God's Hindu warriors.  :) 

Krugman

The disconnect of these people is way past alarming.

I also agree with Turley; no confirmation until the BH complies with the subpoeans.  Of course, Pelosi and Reid may cut a deal and those deals are usually bad for us.

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The resignation of Alberto Gonzales has brought a smile to the faces of many Bush Administration critics, but will it bring real change? Unless the Senate Judiciary Committee seizes its chance in a new Attorney General's confirmation hearings, the danger is that Gonzales's exit won't just leave Justice tarnished -- it will also mean justice denied.

Denial of justice is a theme for this Administration, as illustrated by some very strange bedfellows. Take Jose Padilla, originally accused of a plot to explode a dirty bomb but convicted two weeks ago of being a third-tier member of a fourth-tier conspiracy to aid foreign fighters. Or Scooter Libby, convicted and then pardoned of perjury and obstruction of justice before any full accounting of how the decision to leak Valerie Plame's identity was taken, and what role partisan politics may have played.

Then there's George Tenet: As the CIA's own Inspector General made clear, Tenet "did not use" the resources he had to head off the attacks of 9/11. Yet rather than explore what went wrong or require Tenet to account for himself in ways that clarify the ongoing management and policy weaknesses of the intelligence community, CIA director Michael Hayden has rejected any accountability or even discussion, claiming these would "distract" the nation. (The suggestion is demeaning: Does Hayden think we are all 5-year-olds? It is also perverse: How can any government agency get better at its job if it says that understanding its past mistakes is a "distraction"?)

In each case there are serious allegations of criminal wrongdoing or shameful negligence. In each case, accountability has been stymied. The public rightfully resents the official obfuscation as to whether the government is using its awesome security powers responsibly, and whether legitimate fears of terrorist attack are being twisted into grist for a partisan political mill.

Will Gonzales's departure leave the nation permanently in the dark? Will the rule of law be further undermined?

http://www.alternet.org/rights/60865/ 

Big Brother Democracy: How Free Speech and Surveillance Are Now Intertwined Naomi Klein, The Nation Rights and Liberties: Political protesters are now being videotaped under the guise of ensuring their legal right to be seen and heard. What happens when surveillance is billed as the new participatory democracy?

Scary stuff.  We need to protest this loudly..

GottaLaff: It would guarantee a Senate confirmation. It would change the balance of power in the Senate, in favor of the Republicans. And it smells of Karl Rove

If DCDems were to confirm JoeBlow and hand over control of the Senate it would be the final, irrefutable, proof of their spinelessness.

And if they confirm anyone without first resolving the outstanding bogus claims of executive privilege it will be just as bad. 

But expect the worst of them until they demonstrate otherwise. 

We are in a bottomless pit.

There are growing indications that the befuddled citizens of Neocon World are settling on Ayad Allawi, the former CIA asset and interim prime minister, as their preferred candidate for the job of Iraqi strongman.  Allawi, of course, is doing his part to fan the flames, even to the absurd degree of retaining an American PR firm to build his image as potential Iraqi leader here in the US.

Congressional Democrats (and Democratic presidential candidates) have predictably, if witlessly, been doing their part to advance this lunacy by jumping onto the dump-Maliki bandwagon.

The problem with this American-Allawi lovefest, of course, is that Allawi has no real constituency inside Iraq: so it’s unlikely he could win an election there.  But then we’re not really talking elections anymore, are we?  No, we’re talking good old-fashioned coup here.  You see, that whole “let’s build a democracy in Iraq to be a shining example for the whole Islamic world to follow” thing has lost a little of its sparkle in Neocon World, whose denizens seem to be increasingly pining for a return to the strongman days of yore.

So would an Allawi coup work?  Not a chance.  At least not unless we’re prepared to use US forces to prop him up indefinitely in the face of a broadening civil war.  Allawi is a secular Shi’ite.  The Iraqi armed forces, such as they are, are largely made up of members of religious militias.  It’s hard to be a military dictator when you don’t control the military.  But since Allawi isn’t well liked in Iraq, he has only one possible source of firepower. 

You got it: we have met Allawi’s army and they are us!

If you won’t take my word for it, here’s what Charles Crain, a freelance writer in Iraq reporting for that radical left wing rag, Time Magazine, has to say about it:

The Return of Ayad Allawi

http://www.lastchancedemocracycafe.com/?p=1001 

must go work for awhile.

maybe bbl 

Wonkette has balls.

Congressional Democrats (and Democratic presidential candidates) have predictably, if witlessly, been doing their part to advance this lunacy by jumping onto the dump-Maliki bandwagon.

I am SO glad to be registered Independent these days. 

Here you go.   They were laughing and joking in the Florida Senate when Steve Geller brought his amendment up.    The joke was so funny they made sure the amendment to move up to Feb. 5 failed.  

"sarcasm and audible laughter in chamber"

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1461

You will be shocked at the way they joke and make fun of Dean and the DNC. Then they blame them for taking Florida's votes away.   They took their own votes away.

Some fur is flying in our county tonight.   I called the DNC and told them how the state and county parties here were urging not to donate to the DNC.   I was going to make a donation, but got to talking and forgot.  Will do it tomorrow.

If I ever meet Geller face to face I would have a lot to say to him.

Question to some of the DFA groups here in Florida?   Why the blankety blank is there not more researching and speaking out about this state's attack on Dean under false colors?

Does no one care anymore?  Why are Kos and Jerome either against the DNC's rules or totally silent.  Why are the other bloggers not speaking.  You guys are scaring me.

Have we the DFA sold out to lies that are being spun here as truth?

 keep up the good work floridagal; a HOWARDLY  to you too

With Bush breaking out the old Iraq lies - against Iran - today, I have a hard time caring about the baloney in Florida.

The next war is roaring down the pike at us and DCDems are once again aiding and abetting the Bush Regime. 

I wouldn't live in FL for anything.  And then there's Charlie.  How did FL get so corrupt or is the whole nation just as corrupt? 

You go, Floridagal! 

Wonkette.com

http://wonkette.com/politics/dept%27-of-cocktober-forever/gay-larry-craigs-been-denying-it-forever-294404.php 

http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-Up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809

I also agree with Turley; no confirmation until the BH complies with the subpoeans.  Of course, Pelosi and Reid may cut a deal and those deals are usually bad for us.

Cutting a deal would be a marked improvement over habitual capitulation. 

Today the media are reporting that the U.S. poverty rate has dropped. Sounds good, right?

Then we look at the numbers and see that the percentage of Americans living in poverty has gone down from 12.6 percent in 2005 to 12.3 in 2006. A whopping .3 percent.

Meantime, the number of people without health insurance has increased.

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It drives me crazy when I see produce being thrown away and it's still good.  I've talked with managers about this and they mumble about lawsuits and corporate decisions.  Makes me want to slap them silly.  In the old days, they marked it down and it was a blessing for poor people.  Now, they just toss it.  

And children go hungry.  Makes me crazy. 

Why do we have any poverty at all in the richest, fattest country in the world? How can we have children who go to sleep hungry, and children who can't afford health care?

I'm sure some Americans throw more food in the trash than others have to eat in a given day.

This was my insert.  The rest is article.

It drives me crazy when I see produce being thrown away and it's still good.  I've talked with managers about this and they mumble about lawsuits and corporate decisions.  Makes me want to slap them silly.  In the old days, they marked it down and it was a blessing for poor people.  Now, they just toss it.  

And children go hungry.  Makes me crazy. 

Yes, I agree.  To go for putz would be foolish since he's the puppet or maybe not anymore.  Maybe "the women" are running the country.  Nah, it's Cheney and Rove.

Let's be clear. Alberto Gonzales is resigning as attorney general not because he's become an embarrassment to the Bush administration--which has repeatedly shown itself to be beyond embarrassment--but because he is no longer useful. Exposed as a serial liar and an administration hack, he can no longer be relied upon by the Bush administration to carry forward its criminal agenda of subverting the Constitution, the electoral process and the Bill of Rights, because his every step is being watched by the public and the Congress.

But this is no victory unless the Congress follows up by pursuing those who put Gonzales up to his crimes.

Another solution:

People might not want to hear this, but there is no clear solution to what this administration has brought to us in Iraq. A sudden pullout would in fact leave many Iraqi civilians in harm’s way in an all out offensive by sectarian violence. This is unavoidable; we are seeing this while our troops are still there. Nothing except committing more troops, which at this point is impossible will stop this carnage.

Iran on the other hand, will have an unparalleled opportunity to become the dominant power in the Middle East by exploiting the weakness of the Iraqi central government. This is a fact friend, not fiction. As a student of history I can just about guarantee that Iran will be the de facto ruler of Iraq. They had a six year war with Iraq and had over a million casualties. The United States backed that war and Iran will not forget. This poses a serious problem for The United States.

To let Iran have hegemony over the Middle East would be anathema to The United States. They would in fact, now threaten Saudi Arabia and America’s oil supplies. If we were to go to war to defend Saudi Arabia, that would indeed be a war for oil. Whether or not we would defend Saudi Arabia with the current feelings in the US would be hard to predict. Would we go to war with Iran over Saudi Arabia? Could we if we pulled all our troops from the Middle East?

This is a conundrum. Damned if we do, and damned if we don’t. This brings us to a modest proposal on the Middle East that could ensure Iran would never complete its hegemony over Iraq. It would guarantee a safe haven in the west for Sunni Muslims and guarantee a free state for the Kurds in the north of Iraq that are for the most part, operating as an independent state now.

My proposal is to re-align our forces. We must cut the number of troops in Iraq by half. Move our bases into Northern Iraq (Kurdistan), take the city of Kirkut and concentrate on that city and bring it under control and realign it with Kurdistan. Kurdistan would at this time elect to stay a part of Iraq as an autonomous state, or it could declare its independence. With a strong American presence in Kurdistan, Turkey would not have to worry about Kurds using Kurdistan as a base to launch attacks against Turkey. This would give the Kurds their homeland, while also keeping a large US presence in the area.

Keeping a large military presence in a friendly country that would actually welcome us is a large strategic advantage. Basing troops in Kuwait, with their ports on the Gulf would also give us added military strength in the area and give the US the capability to keep the Gulf open.

I see this a win-win situation. This proposal would give America a steadfast friend in the region, one that has enormous oil reserves. It would also guarantee a Kurdish homeland, and give America a great strategic base to operate from. It would also be a place that should we need to we could launch military operations from if it was necessary to protect human life in Iraq. It would also give Iran pause in the event they wanted to attack Saudi Arabia. This is the way I see it.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/9591 

It's the sort of story that should be front-page news and fodder for a national discussion: Six black adolescents railroaded by an all-white justice system in a small Louisiana town where terrorizing blacks is still in a day's entertainment. Instead, between the follies in Iraq, the crack-pottery in the White House and the latest starlet sightings in rehab or in prison or in the buff, the story has barely made the major news organizations' agenda even as the usual civil rights showboats -- Al Sharpton, the Nation of Islam -- have tried to give the story bigger play. Meanwhile, the lives of six young black men are being ruined as the old stereotype of the young black male as presumptive threat regains currency.

Jena is a mostly white town in central Louisiana, population about 3,000. Jena High School ("Student Learning Is Our Top Priority") serves the town and surrounding communities. It has about 500 students. There was a tree on campus whose shade supposedly belonged to whites only. Last fall during an assembly, a black student asked an administrator whether he could sit under the tree. To some whites in the assembly, the question never should have been asked. The question alone defied the autocratic understanding that commands the power structure of certain environments.

To more civilized people in the assembly, the question never should have been asked because the days when people could command anything by the color of their skin should have been gone, at least regarding something as immaterial as the shade of a tree. That the question had to be asked -- and that the administrator dignified it with a straight answer ("You can sit anywhere you like") rather than detect in it the chasm that enabled it -- is indication of how much some places as familiar as the local high school can still be no more enlightened than a madrassa in Karachi.

Several black students soon joined white students under the tree. The next day, three nooses, in the school colors, hung from the tree, an obvious reference to that old pastime of good ol' Southern towns -- lynching. Just as the administration had been blind to the meaning of the question in the assembly, so it was to the meaning of the nooses. It took it as a harmless prank and suspended three offenders for a few days. Blacks didn't see the nooses as a prank but as a provocation brass-knuckled in not-so-distant history. Tensions immediately rose. The administration made things worse when it invited Reed Walters, the district attorney, and several police officers, to threaten students at will, which he did: "I can be your best friend or your worst enemy," Walters told the assembly (as quoted in Newsweek), with a focus on black students: "With a stroke of my pen, I can make your lives disappear." Just like old times. 

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/9588

Putz is trying to lie himself into another war.  Why isn't the CM yelling about this?  Why do I bother to even ask?

The men were seized overnight from one of the main hotels in the capital and led away blindfolded and in handcuffs.

The Iranian embassy in the city said the men were helping rebuild electricity power stations in Iraq.

The Iraqi government helped secure their release early on Wednesday, a spokesman for Prime Minister Nouri Maliki told the BBC.

The group was detained at the Sheraton Ishtar Hotel. Video footage showed soldiers leading the men out of the building.

'Murderous activities'

Other soldiers were seen carrying what appeared to be luggage and a laptop computer bag.

The BBC's Mike Wooldridge in Baghdad said Tehran insisted the men were technicians from the Iranian electricity ministry and had been helping fix a power station in Najaf.

The arrests followed a speech by US President George W Bush in which he criticised Iranian interference in Iraq.

Tensions between the US and Iran are running high - with the US accusing Iran of providing arms, money and military training to Shia insurgents in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6967850.stm 

Battling the fires

Several EU countries have sent their own firefighters, backed by planes and helicopters, to help tackle the blazes.

Some 27 villages have been entirely abandoned and many parts of the Peloponnese peninsula are still ablaze.

The Greek opposition has attacked the government's response to the crisis, calling it "totally incompetent".

The EU help is said to be the union's largest offer of emergency assistance to a member state.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6966154.stm 

Putz is trying to lie himself into another war.  Why isn't the CM yelling about this?  Why do I bother to even ask?

Putz is trying to lie himself into another war.  Why aren't the DCDems yelling about this?  Why do I bother to even ask?

Instead, the leading Dem candidates are in a mad dash to get to the right of Bush in bellicosity. And the rest, with some excptions, are mouthing NeoCon talking points again. 

And the rest, with some excptions, are mouthing NeoCon talking points again.

Should say: the rest of the Dems in Congress are mouthing NeoCon talking points again.

But this time Cheney won't let them them vote on it. He'll just order the attack on Iran and sneer as Democrats rally around Bush and the flag again.

Hi Sitka and lurkers.  Can We the People stop war with Iran?

And a goodnite and good luck to you all.  

IMPEACH Cheney.  One down, 2 to go.

Gore/? 

There will be a false flag event.

Can We the People stop war with Iran?

We the People need more who are not willing to make excuses for politicians in the party they call their own. So long as they know they can get away with it, they will.

Power and money currupts the mind, and has to too many who make a living in the political machines. In many cases there are those who act progressive only to keep the money coming in to their pacs, who promote their other pacs, who promote other pacs who promote their pacs. Cronyism is alive. Will DFA support a third party candidate?Will DFA only support a Dem?Will it be whoever wins? Will we hear anybody but a Republican? I am tired of many candidates endorsed by DFA that ended up being bluedogs.

quick check in

Chuck, are you saying that there will be another *attack* to justify bombing Iran?

If so, I think it may backfire, or am I giving too much credit to the American war/entitlement/fear mentality?

Surely Keith would question another attack.  What the dems need to do NOW and are not doing, is start talking about the false flag attack that the BH may be planning to rally support. It'll be too late once and if it happens.  Of course, that's tantamount to calling people in the BH possibly treasonous.  

That year long thingie in the DC area must be creeping people out.  Is that another Noble Resolve? 

Sea, there could be a false flag attack on a ship, maybe an attack by so called Iranians in Iraq. Bushco will not go to congress to declare. They do what they want. Is this what Democracy looks like? The polls will go up for the repugs just in time, and the Dems will be lapdogs except some like D.K.

How about those Dems who voted to allow more spying before the recess?

10.  Right.  That's because those that don't survive childhood are obviously unfit to serve the purposes of the adults.  Just as herd species' keeping-together genes are maintained by having the "adventurous" kids picked off by the predators, only those humans that are properly subservient to parental authority are worth keeping.  The fly in the ointment is the human female taking a personal interest in the survival of her off-spring as an extension of herself.

Need to change browser. 

Good morning, everybody

Phil's right.  We need to pay attention to the delegate selection process.  The deadline for doing that in NH is December 5th.  You can get a pdf here 

Since this is generally what I remember from Florida, let me suggest that if candidates don't prompt a slate of supporters to get on the primary ballot, the delegates will be allocated willy-nilly.............................according to the whims of the party regulars.

So, if DFAers want to take over the party, they'd better get themselves to the delegate counter. 

Something you probably didn't see in your paper:

Who knew that cooling towers are such flimsy structures.

One of the reasons nuclear power is so inefficient is because the temperatures at which the reactiions occur are so high that the container (furnace) has to be constantly cooled with water.  The water you see cascading in the picture hasn't been in contact with any radioactive matter, so the only problem it represents, under normal conditions, is the extent to which it elevates the temperature of the water in the river into which it is discharged.  Since most organisms are sensitive to temperature variations (humans, for example, need to maintain an internal temperature that doesn't vary by more than six degrees without causing permanent, live-threatening harm.  The normal ground-water temperature in this part of the country is 45 degrees and while the river waters warm up to 60 or 65 during the summer, even a 90 degree discharge is likely to have some negative effects in the immediate vicinity of the plant.

John Edwards said the other day that he's opposed to building more plants--i.e. the federal government ought not to be providing subsidies or guarantees to cover their potential failure as an economic enterprise.

See Mitt Run ! --

away ! :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070828/ap_po/romney_craig;_ylt=AmoeMmYNS8EeKXIufwRliKJh24cA

Romney distances himself from Craig

By ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writer

Tue Aug 28, 6:27 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney distanced himself Tuesday from one of his top Senate supporters,

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Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, has pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges stemming from complaints of lewd conduct in a men's room. Craig held a prominent role with Romney's presidential campaign, serving as a Senate liaison for the campaign since February. He resigned from the post.

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About Lieberman as Atty Gen.
hmm...that means a real Dem gets to replace him in the Senate?
works for me...

Gov. Rell is a Republican.  Don't count on the courtesy of him replacing JoeBlow with a Democrat since he isn't one anymore.

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Gov. Rell ... him ?

The name is Rell, Jodi Rell:

http://www.ct.gov/governorrell/cwp/view.asp?a=1317&q=285278&governorrellNav=|

FROM A LETTER IN TODAY'S NYT

 I do hold those members of Congress accountable who have not exercised their responsibilities to rein in a president so bent on polarizing this country and establishing the equivalent of a monarchy .

That means you, Nancy and Harry!

Today President Bush will be in New Orleans, on the second anniversary of the Katrina disaster.

Well, where was he two years ago ?

Oh yeah, this is where he was:

http://paulmitchinson.com/wp-content/_bushwithguitar.jpg

Sitka
Wed, 08/29/07
12:50 am
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Tsk tsk.........mustnt talk bad about the Democrats...........Fred will annoint you permanent "guest" status..............

Dean is the firstiest  

Howard Dean is FIRST.

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Is there a doctor in the house ?

Yes, and he's doing a great job ensuring his house stays in a semblance of order and decorum.

Just like a doctor couldn't survive without some sort of appointment scheduling system, so too with the DNC.

I'm glad he's enforcing the rules.  He's no pushover.

Florida screwed the dem chances in 2000 with the contested votes for Gore.  Please don't screw us again in 2008.

Watching this whole thing now with states like Florida clamoring to move up their dem primaries (repub too) reminds me of watching the TV show "Welcome Back Kotter" what with the teacher Gabe asking a question and all the sweat hog students like washington, Horseshack and Vinnie Barbarino all raising their hands to answer shouting "Oooh ! Oooh !", like kids all wanting to the first to answer -- to go first, be first.

"Who's on first ?" as Abbott asked.

I thought we already knew.

Monica,
That plant is just 30 miles south of my town. Vermont Yankee had a $100 million upgrade to produce 20% more elec. when it was supposed to be retired in 2012. Scary stuff...we need to rid ourselves of our red governor, Jim veto everything Douglas.

linda b
Tue, 08/28/07
10:42 pm
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On Couric going to Iraq and Syria.........a joke.....notice that THE only reporters that have visited that region with credibility and guts are non American?  Michael Ware and Christiane Amanpour for starters............

The media here will never allow the bad truth to come out, until things are so bad that its in their monetary interests to do so............give it another 3 or 4 years and then we will see stellar reporting...........until then, rely on the foreigners............

* rdorgan
Wed, 08/29/07
7:56 am
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Edwards call for Americans to give up their suvs............heres my next car.........

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NkjZtfgqC2w

Michael -

Well, the next time I need yard clippings (I have a big yard) I'll call ole John to come haul the stuff away to my town compost.

If he's not available, I'll call Mitt to jhave him send some of his ex-Guatemalan landscappers my way to haul the stuff off.

My handicapped wife is doing fine getting in and out of the Izuzu Rodeo suv she drives around.  Much easier for her to get in and out of than the Ford Taurus I drive.

Thanks for asking.

58.

Michael Ellis
Wed, 08/29/07
8:13 am
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Edwards call for Americans to give up their suvs............heres my next car.........

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NkjZtfgqC2w
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Good beginning!
New lifestyle is next on the agenda.

Remember Bush&Co. mantra: "...we'll never give up our values and our way of life...", lol.

FROM A LETTER IN TODAY'S NYT

 I do hold those members of Congress accountable who have not exercised their responsibilities to rein in a president so bent on polarizing this country and establishing the equivalent of a monarchy .

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My take has been different from the state of the 111th Congress - different from the above thinking.

"for not having exercised their respons..."

To my thinkin' the Dems would have been fools to ride into to blasting everything in sight.  Time is needed to prepare the battlefield.  Think of it as gaining control of the center of the chess board, which is where power is found(time and space are the centers advantage).   Many assume that the Dems had the center after the election, but that is incorrect.  At the start of the 111th Congress the Dems only had the advantage of movement.

http://www.draftobama.org/celebrities

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Imn2Paine -

I just love it when people tell me or my wife how to live our lives.

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes for once I say.

(and I love it when I post something about Florida jumping the line -- ie. the sweat hogs # 55 comment, and the response is something unrelated, about my suv -- isn't that called apples and oranges ?)

Well, I'll be off this blog for awhile.

So if ya like chips with salt, the vinegar has left.

Go in peace, *r.

http://www.populist.com/07.16.edit.html

Sometimes critics berate us for putting up with Democrats instead of supporting independents and/or alternative partisans. Lame acts like the FISA?revisions don't make it easier for us. (And we don't cut House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid too much slack. While large majorities of the Democrats in the House and Senate opposed the cave-in, the bill still would have not have passed without the leadership clearing the way.) But there are several Democratic parties -- progressive Dems on the left, Blue Dogs and Democratic Leadership Council types on the right and any number of combinations in between. Compare those mixers-and-matchers with the Republican Party, which enforces orthodoxy that Pelosi and Reid can only dream about.

Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rayburn had no trouble enforcing party discipline.

Craig may have not lied saying I am not gay 4 or 5 times. He should have been more upfront and announced he is Bisexual, and to stop global warming he will not buy a Hummer.

Pelosi and Reid are not the enemy -- fear is the enemy and the GOP have worked that theme artfully ever since 9/11. Too many congressional Democrats fear Washington lobbyists and Fox News more than they fear their constituents. But taking out congressional Democrats at the ballot box doesn't make sense unless you are replacing them with someone who is more progressive. And most of the House districts that, in an idealistic world, might elect Greens or progressive independents already are electing pretty good Dems.

In other states or House districts, until Congress or legislatures are persuaded to enact instant runoff elections or proportional representation, we don't see the merit in splitting the progressive vote between Democrats and alternative partisans, allowing Republicans to win. Damn me for a patronizer if you must, but if Greens or progressives can't win a Democratic primary they aren't going to win a general election either.

Imn2Paine -

You too.

In the words of Spike Lee's movie keep up your "fight the power" (in all it's distillations).

Irie.

58.

Michael Ellis
Wed, 08/29/07
8:13 am

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Edwards call for Americans to give up their suvs............heres my next car.........

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NkjZtfgqC2w
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I've just checked it out a little what Edwards was saying here(though can't find the transcript):
http://www.wlos.com/template/inews_wire/...

It is "a little" different from I would expect him saying..., lol.

He was not calling "for Americans to give up their SUVs"; he was ASKING them to SACRIFICE their SUV's, SACRIFICE (!) that's a difference.

He said Americans should be asked "to drive more fuel efficient vehicles", lol, instead of saying Americans SHOULD be looking for the way to CHANGE their LIFESTYLE for the one that benefits them not gas/oil industry.

He said weapons and equipment used by America's military "needs to be made in the United States", instead of saying Americans SHOULD be looking for the way to BAN such an equipment Worldwide and then for the way to REPLACE it with equipment for PEACEFUL PORPOISES that will make their life better.

...lol, and that's one the most "progressive" Demos candidates!?

Long, long way to go...

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http://www.wlos.com/template/inews_wire/...

Edwards: Americans should sacrifice their SUVs
August 29, 2007 07:46 EDT


LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. (AP) -- Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards told a labor group he would ask Americans to make a big sacrifice: their sport utility vehicles.

The former North Carolina senator told a forum by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers in Lake Buena Vista, Florida, yesterday he thinks Americans are willing to sacrifice.

Edwards says Americans should be asked to drive more fuel efficient vehicles. He says he would ask them to give up SUVs.

Edwards got a standing ovation when he said weapons and equipment used by America's military needs to be made in the United States. He says tanks and ammunition for M16 rifles are being made in other countries.

He says jobs that provide equipment for America's defense need to be made in the United States.

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