The Deans, DFA and the DFA grassroots are first!

written in a msaage from Charlie Brown on Thursday, August 23, 2007 at 2:53 PM:

Subject: Join us for our September 7th Campaign Announcement!

For the past two years, we've worked hard to create change in the 4th district and across the country. And from the grassroots to the netroots, and all points inbetween, our growing momentum is undeniable. But make no mistake about it, our mission is far from complete.

As you know, Jan and I promised to be in this battle for the long haul, and we keep our promises. So on September 7th, I'm making my intentions for 2008 "official," and taking the next step towards a brighter future for all of us.

Grassroots Democracy is about everyone being involved, so this year's "Take Off" event will be an old fashioned political barnstorming tour throughout the Fourth District. If you can, please show your support and join us at any one of our four campaign announcement celebrations in El Dorado, Placer, Nevada, and Plumas Counties.



CHARLIE BROWN FOR CONGRESS

2008 CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCEMENT AND BARNSTORM

September 7, 2007

11:00a.m.-12:30 p.m.-Cameron Park
3081 Boeing Road, Cameron Park, CA 95682-9209

12:30p.m.-2:00 p.m.---Auburn
Auburn Municipal Airport
13626 New Airport Road
Auburn, CA 95602

2:00 p.m.-3:30 p.m.-Grass Valley
Nevada County Airport
13083 John Bauer Ave., Grass Valley, CA 95945
(2nd Hangar facing the runway, east of the Airport Office)

3:30 p.m.-5:00 p.m.-Quincy
Gansner Field Airport
198 Plumas Ave., Quincy CA 95971-7007

THERE IS NO COST TO ATTEND OUR CAMPAIGN KICKOFF EVENTS!!

Media Inquiries: Todd Stenhouse at 916-455-6640.

Thank you all again for your tireless efforts your support, your generosity, and your encouragement.

And remember, turning out on September 7th will show the entire country that the people's resolve for new leadership in CA-04 has never been stronger.

Keep fighting,

Charlie

msaage s/b message

Nice start to the thread Susan

Just shutchur ugly face, asshole

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See, now?  The writer loses energy.  It all is wasted.  The sentence was hummin' along til what came after the comma.  "All stop!  Secure all watertight doors"

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Sometimes more can be said with less words

BERNIE SANDERS, GOD LOVE HIM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/fox-attacks-iran_b_61578.html

"Fox Attacks: Iran" is a bold effort to provide Americans with a different view of our policy toward Iran than the one Fox News keeps pushing on us. While Fox beats the drums for war, Robert Greenwald has produced documentary evidence that unmasks the 'coverage' for what it is: propaganda to get Americans ready for a Bush administration attack on yet another Middle Eastern nation. Robert has done something remarkable. He has used his extraordinary media skills to make a short video - only three minutes - to educate the American people, using the Internet as a way to connect us.

The issue here is pretty simple. The war in Iraq, which Bush misled us into, has been a disaster. It caused us, and the Iraqi people, a great deal of suffering: more than 3,700 American casualties, more than 70,000 Iraqi casualties, 2 million Iraqis displaced within Iraq by violence fear, and another 2 million Iraqis living as refugees in Syria and Jordan. It has cost our nation a great deal of money, money which could have been better used in educating our children, providing health care to every American, rebuilding our bridges and infrastructure, and helping us move toward a new green economy.

And, ironically, it has made us less safe from the very serious problem of international terrorism.

Osama bin Laden is alive and well and, according to the National Intelligence Estimate, Al Quada is growing stronger throughout the world.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban is reemerging as a powerful adversary, using terrorist skills they learned in Iraq, and the situation there is becoming more difficult. One of the reasons for the reemergence of the Taliban is, in my view, that in order to fight the war in Iraq, the Bush administration has diverted military, intelligence and reconstruction resources away from Afghanistan.

In the midst of all this, the United States, because of Bush's actions, is held in lower regard by the international community than at any time in the modern history of our country.

And, now, there are increasing rumblings that Bush and Cheney are thinking of waging an attack on Iran. They are considering the possibility of bombing Iran's nuclear facilities, and are also considering the possibility of cross-border raids into Iraqi territory.

I believe that the American people understand that with all our problems in Iraq and Afghanistan, and with our active duty military and National Guard significantly over-extended, the last thing in the world that we want is a war in Iran. That is why I introduced S. Con Res. 13 - which would express the sense of Congress that the president should not initiate military action against Iran without first obtaining authorization from Congress.

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Yes, and I hope you end sentences like the one we are debating before what came with the comma, thanks.  I'd appreciate it anyway, please.

5. WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?

leave the coarse language on the old thread, Fred, please

this is very unfortunate. can't people see the wrongdoing in this? where are the politicians that we voted for speaking up against this.

SPP Agent Provocateur Cops Caught Red Handed Attempting To Incite Violence
Boots give away undercover cops as real protesters expose criminality

Infowars.net | August 22 , 2007
Steve Watson

Peaceful protestors at the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) summit in Montebello have captured sensational video of hired agent provocateurs attempting to incite rioting and turn the protest violent, only to encounter brave resistance from real protest leaders.

A video, posted on YouTube, shows three young men, their faces masked by bandannas, mingling Monday with protesters in front of a line of police in riot gear. At least one of the masked men is holding a rock in his hand, reports the Canadian Press .

The three are confronted

Fred

please take time and NOT make it look as though I wrote the sentence you wrote to another blogger.  I lose it on my own and can make a pretty good @$$ of myself in front of others all by my lonely, thanks

And, I in no way think you intented to make me out as the stooge.

Florida Democrats may have Alberto Gonzales investigate Howard Dean and the DNC.  They don't use the word Gonzales, and the aides are appropriately embarassed when pinned down.  But that is the gist of it all. 

Bill Nelson and his posse of big bad Florida democrats are heading out of Dodge to take care of that upstart at the DNC who has the nerve to follow the rules. 

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1452

The DNC spokesperson had a good response to MSNBC today:

"In response to this letter, a DNC spokeswoman said, “We will wait and see what the Rules and Bylaws Committee decides on Saturday. We hope Florida will do the right thing and work with the DNC to comply with the rules they voted for."

THE SURGE IN ABSURDITY

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-surge-in-absurdity_b_61486.html

Is there anyone in America who doesn't already know what Petraeus and the president are going to tell the public? Here's a guess from someone who lives a good chunk of continent away from the Beltway: Progress is finally being made; it's not as much as we want but it would be wrong for America to abandon the Iraqi people now just as things are starting to improve.

The president and Hillary and General Petraeus can all talk about the al Anbar Province but that doesn't change what is happening in the rest of Iraq. It does, however, gloss over a few important points about Anbar. Bush does not expect the American public to question why the Sunnis in Anbar are cooperating with US forces. But there are some obvious conclusions to be reached about the state of the war in Anbar.

The White House and the Pentagon have made much of the alliances between Sunni leaders and American forces. They have combined in an effort to push back al Qaeda insurgents in al Anbar. That may be only part of their motivation, however. It's just as likely that the Sunnis, who dominate Anbar Province, are seeking to keep the majority Shiites at a distance. Isn't it possible that American soldiers are being used to facilitate the initial steps of Iraq's Balkanization while they fight to keep the city of Ramadi and the wider province of al Anbar free from al Qaeda's control?

White House Manual Details How to Deal With Protesters

Washington Post | August 22, 2007
Peter Baker

Not that they're worried or anything. But the White House evidently leaves little to chance when it comes to protests within eyesight of the president. As in, it doesn't want any.

A White House manual that came to light recently gives presidential advance staffers extensive instructions in the art of "deterring potential protestors" from President Bush's public appearances around the country.

Among other things, any event must be open only to those with tickets tightly controlled by organizers. Those entering must be screened in case they are hiding secret signs. Any anti-Bush demonstrators who manage to get in anyway should be shouted down by "rally squads" stationed in strategic locations. And if that does not work, they should be thrown out.

History Channel "Expert" Spins Conspiracy Yarn
Contradicts official story, claims WTC 7 fires began before either tower had collapsed

Prison Planet | August 23, 2007
Paul Joseph Watson

One of the experts the History Channel cited to debunk claims that the collapse of WTC 7 was a controlled demolition expert during its 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction special Sunday night, spun a wild conspiracy yarn of his own, claiming that Building 7 burned for eight hours having caught fire before either of the twin towers collapsed.

Matthys Levy, P.E. is a structural engineer and also author of the book Why Buildings Fall Down .

He was one of the chief engineers for a study commissioned by WTC leaseholder Silverstein Properties Inc. to support a $7 billion insurance claim for the destruction of the World Trade Center complex. The investigation concluded that the twin towers collapsed as a result of the failure of support columns but the study did not touch upon why Building 7 fell.

my bad Fred the blog has been assaulted with multiple violations

I will say that most of Huron John's post are points well taken and that the Democratic Party must be strong enough to take that criticism and learn from it, even if it is strong medicine.

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Well there is a different between strong medicine [intelligent, constructive]  and bad medicine that harms or kills the patient....  An elusive line to draw at times...which means these guys get away with some awfully damaging propaganda - damaging to our integrity and unity - right here on this blog.

leave the coarse language on the old thread, Fred, please

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had to repeat the quote for my point to make sense.   I will oblige - but please be quick to jump on those who obviously intend to push my buttons.

THE AMERICAN CENTURY?

http://www.alternet.org/audits/60489/?page=4

When viewed globally and in the great stretch of history, the notion of American exceptionalism that drove the neoconservatives to proclaim the Project for the New American Century in the late 20th century -- adopted so wholeheartedly by the Bush administration in this one -- is nothing new. Other superpowers have been there before and they, too, have witnessed the loss of their prime position to rising powers.

No superpower in modern times has maintained its supremacy for more than several generations. And, however exceptional its leaders may have thought themselves, the United States, already clearly past its zenith, has no chance of becoming an exception to this age-old pattern of history.

these guys get away with some awfully damaging propaganda - damaging to our integrity and unity - right here on this blog. 

DOH

Fred

please take time and NOT make it look as though I wrote the sentence you wrote to another blogger. 

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My apologies.  It was a little short-sighted of me, but  I think it was pretty obvious the statement was mine, or else it was ambiguous to reader as to who did say it.

20.

> Lookin' for a slap down? 

I did not think so, hohoho.

THIS IS OBSCENE - THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T MAKE THE  6:00 NEWS 

Toll Rises Above 500 in Iraq Bombings

BAGHDAD, Aug. 21 — One week after a series of truck bombs hit a poor rural area near the Syrian border, the known casualty toll has soared to more than 500 dead and 1,500 wounded, according to the Iraqi Red Crescent Society, making it the bloodiest coordinated attack since the American-led invasion in 2003....

In the area of last week’s attack, the desert villages dominated by Yazidis — a Kurdish-speaking sect whose faith combines Islamic teachings with other ancient religions — struggled to cope. Residents and officials say a constant flow of burials has filled the streets amid the stench of death arising from mounds of beige brick

Tecken Kuli Saleem, 39, said she had stayed alive for 12 hours under the rubble, but emerged without her family.

“I was pregnant in my fourth month and lost my baby in the attack,” she said. “I can’t talk much. The criminals killed my family, and I don’t know where my children are, whether they’re dead or alive. They’re missing.”....

Iraqi officials said no suspects had been arrested. Sunni extremists, who have been warring with Kurds in the northern cities of Mosul and Kirkuk, are believed to be responsible for the attack.

Yazidis may have been targets because of their proximity to Syria’s porous border; for their beliefs (they worship an angel whose name is sometimes translated as Satan in the Koran); or as retribution for an episode in April, when some Yazidis stoned a young Yazidi woman to death for marrying a Sunni.

For now, the Iraqi and international effort remains focused on helping the grieving, the wounded and the destitute. American troops have helped distribute water and other emergency supplies.

Dr. Hakki of the Red Crescent Society said at least three trucks full of aid had come from the Turkish government....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/world/middleeast/22iraq.html?th&emc=th

FRED from OR

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It's kind of cool, Fred.  I had gone back and copied what I had already posted on the previous thread before really looking at your #5 here.

But, get this:

You wrote ~~"or else it was ambiguous to reader"

My comment is:

who cares that others understand the context.  I would rather the swearing (in an overt form) end...simple as that.

Just do good where you can/do and ignore the taunts.

Huron John
Thu, 08/23/07
6:41 pm

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Contribute and build something, whoever-you-are, instead of tearing down and bombing.

Self-control is really an admirable trait.

I notice that there's no consensus on how native Americans prefer to be called.

Senator Warner suggests Bush Two withdraw 5000 troops by christmas.  

Is that in addition to the extra thirty thousand that were only sent there for a short

surge?  

Since Republicans never do anything, even a suggestion that something

be done earns them all kinds of kudos.  It's sort of like killing a lamb in

honor of the prodigal son.  (Now, that's one parable I've never understood.

Have to assume, jesus is just telling it how it is). 

Just do good where you can/do and ignore the taunts.

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thanks for the kind words - somedays I can easily ignore it and some days I cannot.  Too much is at stake, not only for our Party but for the country and the world.

This negative pollution to which I object - thinly-veiled as "tough love" for the party, or "strong medicine" as Phil called it -  just goes too far, and is too much for one to tolerate.  And those who indulge in this proverbial smorgasborg of unfettered criticism, seldom have anything nice to say about anyone, except those who agree with them.

I'm sure a lot of bloggers and lurkers find it tiresome.  If you noticed, except for Phil and Puddle (who is usually nasty to me anyway,) and the two subjects of my anger, nobody  really objected to my "obscene" tirade directed at Sitka and John.  These two sing the same rotten negative songs, day after day, while they sit on their asses and do nothing substantial to improve things, and never note the hardship of the dead and dying masses all over this world.

If you noticed, Mike argued with me too, but we had a civil disagreement, and I used no "bad words" with him.

I just use the words I feel that describes it (them) most appropriately.  I think the words I used (don't want to bother Phil by repeating them) are relatively mild terms, where I come from.

Before anyone dismisses the Xtian soldiers for Christ, please  watch Amanpour's special tonight. 

Flying by the TV before, I heard something about a book or movement or classes teaching women how to be better housewives.

Ah, Wolfie  just announced that the story is coming up..

That pretty much agrees with the fundi Muslims who teach women obedience and say it's for their own good; and even the women interviewed last night said that it makes them happy.  

Good god, what is happening in these three religions? 

as I told you before, if this blog has a bad reputation and scares good politicians away......Just shutchur ugly face, asshole

FRED just proved his own point.

Contribute and build something, whoever-you-are, instead of tearing down and bombing.

Great advice from a shut-in. 

OTOH, I heard a snippet of a women who wrote a book on the immaturity and spoiled brattiness of Americans and how America is taking down western civilization.  She claims the me me me generation hasn't a clue about ME history or problems,nor do they care, since it's all about conspicuous consumption for them.  Gimmeee gimmeee gimmmeee and don't make me pay.

She has a point. 

Good god, what is happening in these three religions?

When have they not been bloodthirsty and acquisitive? 

THIS IS OBSCENE - THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T MAKE THE  6:00 NEWS 

Toll Rises Above 500 in Iraq Bombings

FRED's word of the day - "obscene." He uses for everything from blogging he disagrees with to car bombings, and then engages in it himself, just for good measure.

But the reason it doesn't make the 6:00 news is because they're committed to touting a successful surge. It wouldn't make sense to report facts that contradict the script.

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You can make your point on the issue without the personal animosity, but that's your style, isn't it, ####head.

Watching CNN? 

We're heading for sharia! 

They've always been bloodthirsty, but they haven't been as political as they have become in the last 40 or so years..........they used to be thought of as crackpots.  Now they're getting elected.

FRED from OR

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Haha, YES!  That was much better.  Well done)  Keep that up and I, for one, will be happier. 

"Sometimes more can be said with less words"

Just shutchur ugly face

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Making sarcastic references to a person's perceived or real neurological problems is very ugly indulgence, indeed.  That's why YOU are ugly no ME.

Imn2Paine
Thu, 08/23/07
7:44 pm

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thanks for the patronage, maybe it is even stronger that way.

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Bill Nelson and his posse of big bad Florida democrats are heading out of Dodge to take care of that upstart at the DNC who has the nerve to follow the rules. 

This just one more reason Nelson is not very popular here. I have met him several times and don't even like him in person, much less in the  Senate.

Gotta say, I wish our primary votes would count in Fla., but the Repugs here have made sure they don't. Only half of their  Repug primary votes will count, but none of ours will.

It isn't Howard Dean's fault at all. Rules were made to be adhered to. If the rules committee says the rule is legal, then so be it.  I support Howard Dean first and foremost and always.

Fred

It is

"stronger that way"

and less obnoxious, if I may.

Fred,

Ignore the irritants to the eyes and you will see better.

You have good stuff to post and you shouldn't let it always be drowned out by naysayers.

bbl

Hoping for the real Keith tonight!

Joan* In*Florida
Thu, 08/23/07
7:51 pm

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thanks, you are right.  I feel like I wasted a day bickering with these guys and defending my intolerance for them.

But the reason it doesn't make the 6:00 news is because they're committed to touting a successful surge. It wouldn't make sense to report facts that contradict the script.

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It has nothing to do with the surge or the "war on terrorism" but it does show what a disaster the occupation and  the central government of Bush's "democracy" has begotten. 

It also shows how important it is to have an ethnic decentralization that Biden and others all over the world have become increasingly aware.  It shows that Al Qaeda's success has little to do with fighting Americans as much as Al Qaeda does take advantage of chaos and hardship.  If we can bring order to the ethnic chaos, and help each group feel secure within its respective territory, the Al Qaeda problem will lose momentum and dissolve.

Consequently, if we can assemble all the ethnic groups to execute  a master plan to provide regional security from such ethnic terrorism, with the help of the international communiy, there will be no need for Americans to be there fighting, from either the Left wing or Right wing perspective.

ALERT OF THE WEEK:
USDA SAYS ALMONDS LABELED AS 'RAW' OR 'ORGANIC' MUST BE PASTEURIZED
Under pressure from industrial agriculture lobbyists, the USDA has quietly approved a new regulation that will effectively end distribution of raw almonds, while putting many smaller almond farmers out of business. The regulation is scheduled to go into effect on September 1st, unless thousands of consumers take action now. The rule requires pasteurization of almonds, including organic, yet allows those same almonds to continue to be labeled as "raw". Nutritionists point out that raw, organic almonds are far superior, in terms of nutrition, to pasteurized almonds. One of the FDA-recommended pasteurization methods involves the use of propylene oxide, which is classified as a carcinogen in California and is banned in Canada, Mexico, and the European Union. Organic and family-scale almond farmers are protesting the proposed rule, saying it will effectively put them out of business, since the minimum price for the pasteurization equipment is $500,000.
Take action: http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_6747.cfm

Is it possible that a news station not controlled by the CM will air? I'm in for the $10, anyone else?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAXtLgMed...

Oops...for those on dial-up, this may be better...just enter before the video starts.

http://www.therealnews.com/web/index.php...

Reed

wet a line for me, my river is out of its banks

Praise the Lord, Reed!

Thank you!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRealNews

Sitka and John.  These two sing the same rotten negative songs, day after day, while they sit on their asses and do nothing substantial to improve things, and never note the hardship of the dead and dying masses all over this world.

An arrogant and presumptuous comment. How the hell do you know what I do during the ~22 hours a say that I'm away from this blog?

I shall continue to post what I consider relevant and point out the obvious deficiencies in the conduct of Democratic legislators.

That might "improve things".

I'll also heap praise on the Democrats when (if) they do the right thing.

I'd love to Phil but my time is all tied up right now with this personal battle. There is a possibilty I might head to the coast this weekend...me wife really needs some time away and heck, that is a good use for this plastic card in me wallet. If that's the case, I'll try to hook a striper a two for you as I'm an early riser and the wife is not. Sure hope the water hasn't caused you too much damage...we're in dire need of some in our neck of the woods.

ÇNN...here come God's Xtian Warriors.

I'd love to Phil but my time is all tied up right now with this personal battle. There is a possibilty I might head to the coast this weekend...me wife really needs some time away and heck, that is a good use for this plastic card in me wallet. If that's the case, I'll try to hook a striper a two for you as I'm an early riser and the wife is not. Sure hope the water hasn't caused you too much damage...we're in dire need of some in our neck of the woods.

Now I'm seeing double...haven't had that many Molsons...honest.

http://www.current.tv/watch/143719962?s1=newVids&list=newVidsByAssignmentGroup&filterone=1&filtertwo=0&sid=143719962&fr=8

Another exotic Brazilian ingre

Night folks; off to the beach.

Nite Paine...we might be heading to Hampton beach this weekend.

Have fun at the beach Paine - watch out for the sharks.

Fred, I think you do really erudite posts a lot of times but I vote with G rated language or at least * in the middle like Paine said - you never know when some young person might happen upon the blog.

My allergies are just AWFUL tonight and I took an Allegra this morning - it usually makes me almost normal.

I saw one of my top 10 ALL TIME MOVIES tonight and you need to rush right out and rent it from Netflix or Blockbuster - it's been out there for years but just been released in the good ole US of A and I think I know why. Don't read any reviews on Amazon bc it gives away the plot. I cried at the end of the movie. The movie is called The Lives of Others and it's German w/ subtitles. About GDR in 1984, about 5 years before the Wall came down. It is so very moving. Run right out and rent it and then tell all your friends.

I tell you boys and girls we need to forget this Dem/Repug stuff and the next president and all and worry and pray and maybe storm the Bastille as it were for our poor now defunct civil liberties and our totally b*llless Congresssheeple. This movie will have you agreeing with me.

I got interested bc the singer I was in love with before I fell in love with the dead tango composer is a product of the GDR having been born there and the wall came down when he was about 25, already married, a Dad and a member of the State Opera. Trivia in which you were not interested.

The files our Stassi are compiling as we speak are the German ones on steroids. Dodd gets it. Too bad he is tied up saving the markets with his banking committee. Talk about a full plate.

59. PS -- There is some 'leaves little to the imagination' sex in the movie so I wouldn't watch it with the kiddies.

60. Yes Phil that is what scares the h*ll out of me. And the worst part is I find myself afraid to speak out on a lot of forums (like letters to folks) for fear of my own liberties. Now THAT's really scary.

Hopefully FRED's attempt to decieve by putting his words under my name was seen through by all. 

You'll have lots of company despite the pathetic attempts of one or two to turn this into a party-line blog. 

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Reed in VT

wonderful!

Annilow,who's GDR?   I've printed out what you posted and will get the movie.

Amanpour deserves a medal for her series.

It's very clear that the 3 major religions are bad for women and good for war-mongerers, laden with testoterone and short on heart.

We need to throw out the male gods. Now, along with Cheney,.

Every single woman in this country (and others) should be voting for peace candidates if she wants to be free from eternal wars and biblical subjugation by men. Those who vote for anyone else will be voting for their own misery...losing husbands and sons in wars,   never mind.  I don't want to get started.

We also need to send into space every bible, torah and koran in existence and start over.  The idea of god is fine as long as it's not a he or she and used as a battering ram. IMO

How do these people get around "thou shalt not kill?"  

I noticed how the good Xtian family said that disobedience was the original sin, whereas blaming others comes closer to the truth of that myth.

Jimmy Carter was excellent in his perceptions and thoughtfulness.  If you don't believe Genesis literally, the rest of the bible falls apart.  

There are 2 creations in Genesis.  How many preachers preach that?  And how long was that deep sleep that came over the water or was it the earth?

53% of Americans believe in creationism.  Dumbed down indeed, incapable of independent thought, very incurious and they will have their way with this country unless we start educating them.

If the dems are smart, they'd start speaking of the preservation of the environment as a moral value.  I have yet to hear anyone ask any of the candidates about that.

Phil, are the Iowans asking about that? 

Printable version

The experiments, described in the Science journal, offer a scientific explanation for a phenomenon experienced by one in 10 people.

Two teams used virtual reality goggles to con the brain into thinking the body was located elsewhere.

The visual illusion plus the feel of their real bodies being touched made volunteers sense that they had moved outside of their physical bodies.

The researchers say their findings could have practical applications, such as helping take video games to the next level of virtuality so the players feel as if they are actually inside the game.

Clinically, surgeons might also be able to perform operations on patients thousands of miles away by controlling a roboti

bbl maybe

its new all fred thread...

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/21949...