The Dean's of Democracy for America are first!


congrats Saratoga Springs. If it's supposed to habve pictures, try using flickr.com to upload them.

Here is an absoltely fantastic youtube video clip of Al Gore's recent speech in Canne at their advertising Forum.

Amazing.

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72NDyUrIT...

Here's another vid of Cheney on 1994 saying we shouldn't invade Iraq and why.  I just sent it to Keith.  Pass it around!!

 https://pol.moveon.org/donate/cheneyvideo.html?r=2879&id=10983-2950908-mlr6LF

I didn't know that DFA would endorse an incumbent. They must have changed their policy.

Is anyone else not seeing the pictures on Julie's post?

No photos here.

from last thread.  That was powerful, Monica.  David Horowitz keeps *good* company.  Here's a list.

• Wednesday Morning Club - In 2006 the Center held twenty-one Wednesday Morning Club events with speakers ranging from former Speaker Newt Gingrich, Victor Davis Hanson, Wafa Sultan, General Georges Sada,Judge Charles W. Pickering, Dennis Prager, Shelby Steele and Melanie Morgan with Catherine Moy. Speakers in 2007 include Dinesh D'Souza, Dore Gold, Bruce Herschensohn and John O'Sullivan. In previous years speakers have included then-Governor George W. Bush (1999), then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, Robert Bork, Representatives Tom DeLay and Henry Hyde, Senators Trent Lott, Bill Frist and Joseph Lieberman, Christopher Hitchens, Bill Kristol, Fred Barnes and George Will.[11]
• Jihad Watch (or Jihadwatch; also Dhimmi Watch) - blogs and articles on the ongoing "Jihad".[12]

John Edwards publicly credited Howard Dean in Iowa this morning at an event I was at, and I was standing next to corporate journalist David Brooks who may have noticed the applause from the crowd but will most likely not report it.

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Linda

Edwards made that a central point today.  and then also made the point that the Buy Fresh. Buy Local. campaign fights global warming by cutting shipping

Edwards took on China too today, though not as directly as Hillary yesterday.

I'll try to get Richardson to blog tonight. Edwards was on a tight schedule and cutting it close to make it to the AFL-CIO forum. Again today Edwards had short remarks and a long question and answer session. followed by "YOU  have to change America; it is up to all of US, the President can't do it without the people"

Edwards is the only one that opens the doors to anyone and opens the mike up to any questions the crowd comes up with.

Howard used that model for a crowd like the 150 or so for Edwards this morning, I don't  know how you would do it with the hundreds more for Clinton.

But you can't run a national campaign on Q&A so listening to the questions to get your finger on the pulse of the people to connect with the TV spots and the stump speech is the magic trick.

The nation might well like a dialogue about the safety of imports. 

Horowitz is truly a piece of work.

March 8, 2007

By DANA CLOUD

David Horowitz is a self-appointed general of the right-wing thought police. In 2006, he published The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America. In it, he named me and 100 other professors as threats to national security akin to terrorists.

This spring, he is coming out with the next salvo in the war over the academy--a book called Indoctrination U, in which he has taken special aim at University of Texas (UT), where I teach, among others.

On February 17, the Daily Texan student newspaper published his op-ed claiming that there are two Universities of Texas--one a world-class institution, and another where "faculty regard themselves as activists, not scholars, and their curriculum is designed not to teach students how to conduct a disinterested inquiry, but to convert them to a sectarian ideology and recruit them to its causes."

http://www.counterpunch.org/cloud03082007.html 

Attack on the "Liberty."  Who's running our foreign policy?

The motive is irrelevant. If motive were a factor, then Charles Manson should be released for lack of plausible motive.

The facts are clear. Nearly every researcher who has seriously investigated the circumstances agrees that the attack was deliberate. Evidence is overwhelming.

In any case, the attack on USS Liberty was a war crime even if one accepts the Israeli version of what happened, and we know that the Israeli version is untrue.

Most senior US government officials of the era and nearly every senior intelligence official agrees -- often based upon study of intercepted communications -- that Israeli forces deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American. Why they chose to do that is not an issue.

We were an intelligence ship and they were doing something that they did not want the US to know about. One popular writer of Jewish fear-literature, John Loftus, writes in "The Secret War Against the Jews" (a Jewish version of The Turner Diaries) that Israel attacked deliberately because Israeli authorities believed that USS Liberty was relaying Israeli war plans to Egypt in order to assure the destruction of the Jewish State. That is patently ridiculous, but widely accepted even in Israel. Loftus claims to have documented his position through interviews with long lists of "retired old spies" whom he refuses to identify. While Loftus may be correct about Israeli paranoia, he is totally wrong about Liberty's mission. Liberty's primary mission was to collect intelligence on the Soviet forces in the area. The ship didn't even have a qualified Hebrew linguist aboard. So why did they attack?

Intelligence analysts agree that they attacked because they feared we might learn something that they did not want the United States to know.

That could have been

1. The planned invasion of the Golan Heights which was set to start a few hours after Liberty's arrival in the area. When Liberty arrived, the invasion was postponed for 24 hours, Liberty was attacked, and the invasion took place the next day. Did they postpone the invasion until Liberty out of the way and unable to report on the war?

2. It is possible that they were afraid that Liberty might learn and report to the United States that Israeli forces were executing up to 1,000 Egyptian Prisoners of War at El Arish at the very moment that Liberty was just 13 miles off shore.

3. It is also possible that USS Liberty was attacked to prevent the ship from reporting a deliberate massacre of 14 Indian United Nations peacekeepers that took place in Gaza shortly before Israel's attack on USS Liberty.

Israeli apologists dismiss these stories as untrue or wildly speculative, despite the fact that they are well documented. Israeli apologist-historian Michael Oren in his book "Six Days of War" and in published articles dismisses the claim as untrue claiming that, if it were true, there would be mass graves, reports in the major media, and great outcries from Egypt for justice.

Behold! There are mass graves, major media reports and cries for justice.

Attention is invited to

CNN reporting on the subject which reports the mass graves

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9509/mass_graves/

http://www.ussliberty.org/why.htm 

6.

seashell :-)


Victor Davis Hanson is from the Central Valley in California. He attended the Hoover Institute over at Stanford in Palo Alto. He is a professor of history at Fresno State and he writes opinions pieces for the Fresno Bee, Sacramneto Bee and the San Francisco Chronicle. He a registered Democrat. He wrote this books "MEXIFORNIA". It "the" most racist piece of contemporary literature that I have every read. When Dick Cheney comes to our area Hanson is often one of his luncheon guests. Mr. Cheney thinks Hanson is a brilliant writer.


Mexifornia, Five Years Later
Victor Davis Hanson

The flood of illegal immigrants into California has made things worse than I foresaw.

In the Spring 2002 issue of City Journal, I wrote an essay about growing up in the central San Joaquin Valley and witnessing firsthand, especially over the last 20 years, the ill effects of illegal immigration (City Journal’s editors chose the title of the piece: “Do We Want Mexifornia?”). Controversy over my blunt assessment of the disaster of illegal immigration from Mexico led to an expanded memoir, Mexifornia, published the following year by Encounter Press.

Mexifornia came out during the ultimately successful campaign to recall California governor Gray Davis in autumn 2003. A popular public gripe was that the embattled governor had appeased both employers and the more radical Hispanic politicians of the California legislature on illegal immigration. And indeed Davis had signed legislation allowing driver’s licenses for illegal aliens that both houses of state government had passed. So it was no wonder that the book... full article: http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_1_me...

The oppressed become the oppressors.  So now is this country some sort of fscst Jewish state?  Isn't that Zionism?  We are definitely under solid minority rule!

Comcast, in Boulder, CO, has silently and quickly cut out MSNBC from its programming and only MSNBC.  A friend last night told me she used to like watching Keith and then he was gone.  Is Comcast doing this in other places?  She can pick up MSNBC but has to pay extra.  I suggested that Keith is well worth it and she has money.

oops

books s/b book and It s/b It's

Susan, are you saying that my post was written by racists? I wasn't quite clear about your reference.

Folks,

I'm working on the problem with the pictures right now. Stay tuned...

 Sheri

Phil...and Annilow...I just spent so long on phone calls calling around the country at various USDA locations to voice my concerns and ask their policy for companies bringing in products from all other countries but their packaging claiming USDA.

Wayyy too much to get in to now and here, but HHHEEEELLLLPPPPP! Our government has totally used our governmental protections and agencies as the scapegoat for their fascism. It took me about 7 calls to get to a VERY nice, intelligent and helpful...to a degree, young man.

The more our government uses our tax dollars for these government agencies to make their deals to benefit their special interests, the more it costs us to hurt us. If our tax dollars are being used against us to not plant in fields, so they can be imported from other countries with less oversights and protections, then they also take what we have produced and shipped them overseas, so they can help off set our "export deficit".

And for the stuff our government has made agreements to import from other countries, they have general guidelines of what must be done, just to kill their insects and bugs, like steeping mangos in hot water for 70-90 minuites, or dipping papayas from Central America in harmful chemicals to kill the bugs, but screw the health effects you'll have from that chemical.

All of this costs us so much more. They don't have the people to inspect the more and more food being brought in to our country that threaten what food supply we have. He even brought up the bugs in the wooden crates that the food is in that has insects.

They also don't have the staff to inspect the supplies once they reach our land, let a lone that most of these countries aren't letting in our people to inspect the growing conditions to warrant the USDA stamp that is being DISPLAYED IN OUR STORES>


I had to take a break from my next round of calls to the FDA, but this is a piece of what I spoke with and on at the USDA.

Horowitz and Hanson are the new kind of contemporary racists.

Oh, and I forgot, the latest deal our government has made, that I was advised on. Apparently they can't find a way to grow Blueberries in Mexico, and no doubt being our dollar is weaker against Canada, they have just made a deal with Uraguay to start shipping in BLUEBERRIES NEXT YEAR. I don't even want to know what will be all over those puppies. Next I'll hear they'll be dipping it in lye.

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Besides global warming, I've said for years that our greatest problem is over-population.   AAR was talking about the coming water wars within 10 years, yet no one talks about the absurdity of having more than one child at the most.  We cannot create fresh water, at this point in time, any more than we can create more land to live on.  These are finite gifts.

In this respect, China is spot on IMO.

Shall we now discuss all the good but uneducated Latin Catholics world over who blindly follow the Poop?    When your grandbabies have no drinking water or have to pay huge prices or go to die in a war for it, you'll realize that we are already over-populated.

One child per family.  Nice yearly check if you have none.  More than one would cost a bundle of money.

Neo-cons and Zionists would never agree.  More babies mean more soldiers and more exploitation and slave labor.  

So proud to be an American.  Hummphh!

Gore or another country! 

seashell :-)

Have you ever seen this movie?

In the Time of the Butterflies: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0263467/

It's a very interesting study.

Interesting study about how, in these authors' opinions, over-population  leads to continual wars.

 http://books.google.com/books?id=4f8BAAAAYAAJ&dq=books+about+over+population&pg=PA7&ots=8cUqRdBKaR&sig=okER2MdJR78wkdAKKA_8eN4uFQo&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fq%3Dbooks%2Babout%2Bover%2Bpopulation%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26aq%3Dt%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26client%3Dfirefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=3#PPA7,M1

My question for the day.  Are we entitled to have as many children as we want?

Susan, I'll get the movie in the next few days.  It sounds very interesting, thank you.

21.  On'y because humans don't like other people's children.  And some don't even like their own.  So, they send them off to war.

Albert Einstein wrote, "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Nonetheless, this country staggers forward with 'solutions' that accelerate America's population problems.

In the past 10 years, the world added 880 million people. America added 33 million and California added six million - on its way from 35 million to 55 million in the next 25 years. Good luck, Arnold! Like California, many states found themselves inundated with sprawl, gridlock, rising home prices, new forms of crime and diseases. Dozens of foreign languages, causing confusion and conflicts, migrated into America's schools. Today, America stands at 292 million and grows by 3.3 million per year. In 47 years at mid-century, America will add 200 million which will average four million people per state.

An average of 8,200 people are added to our country every day via annual net gains in US births at 1.0 million and immigration at 2.3 million--legal, illegal and their births. Soon past the mid-century, those 200 million more Americans will be struggling for dwindling resources, water, food and a diminishing quality of life. In a western state like Colorado or Arizona, a drought in 2050 will become a DISASTER along with many other consequences. When one state suffers such a monumental crisis, all other states will be affected in time.

For graphic examples, one need only look at India and China. In a recent speech, Arun Gandhi, grandson of Mahatma Gandhi, said, "In my country, 4 million people are born in the streets, live in the streets and die in the streets-never having used a toilet or shower." If massive population is so good, why is India so poor? Even more sobering is China's plight at 1.3 billion and growing at 12 million per year.

http://www.frostywooldridge.com/overpop/overpop.html 

OK, enuf about this for awhile.

bbl with different D&G  LOL 

On Chris Matthews a few minutes ago:

Matthews asked Edwards if there were information that OBL was in the Pakistan would he go get him.

Edwards answered that he certainly would go after him.

Matthews asked if Edwards didn't agree with Obama then.

Edwards said he didn't really know what Obama's plan was.

Matthews then asked if Edwards would send in troops.

Edwards answered that he didn't know about sending in troops but he would go after OBL if he were there.

At which point Matthews let him off the hook with another repititious  question about Elizabeth.

I'll watch for a transcript later.

This is the problem I have with Edwards -- he can't think on his feet. He basically contradicted himself, unless he planned on going there all by himself. Troops are the only way to go after OBL.

I think we go to war for other reasons than just getting rid of other peoples' kids.

Hardball yesterday had a discussion about whether or not we are in a holy war, Xtian vs Muslim.  I think there's a lot of truth to that.  We need more babies to fight *god* wars, grab land for exploding populations, steal resources needed by exploding populations.  If you think about it deeply, feeding and watering ever increasing masses and decreasing resources is EXACTLY what leads to war.

Where are the candidates talking about this?  About birth control?  Oh, that's right.  Besides kissing the hiney of AIPAC (only Clinton and Obomba) they also have to kiss the Poop with his regressive birth control; and god forbid they alienate the fundis and their destructive thinking.  One or two might be an *undecided.*

seashell :-)

Just one more observation.


The right-wingers and the elitists beliefs have everything to do with the procreation of "their kind's" next generation. They think of their women are breeders. And some of their men are as well. They're obsessed with athletic abilities and their physical looks. They flock to sporting events and their children are indoctrinated at a very early age into competitive sports.

Have you even noticed Bush's snowflake children? They all seem to be perfect.

Here's another vid of Cheney on 1994 saying we shouldn't invade Iraq and why.  I just sent it to Keith.  Pass it around!!

Where was it back in 2002 when it might have made a difference? 

John Edwards publicly credited Howard Dean in Iowa this morning at an event I was at

For what? His own current campaign themes? Did he say Dean is now welcome in the South? 

even s/b ever

Joan - You either have it or you don't with respect to being able to think on your feet. Howard has it. Edwards - not so much. Elizabeth Edwards does though...

Phil, If Govenor Richardson stops by, as he isn't back here, can you ask him why he is silent on this and not helping stop this.

This is going on for so long. The people have been successful in stopping progress by the residents being camped out on the grounds where the utility company was trying to move on, when they had no right to. Folks were successfull in stopping the tax cuts this state was going to give, which temporarily halted.

HELLO GOVERNOR RICHARDSON...How are you allowing this?

Please speak out now against plans for a dirty, coal-fired power
plant in New Mexico that would release mercury and other toxic
contaminants into the environment, pollute waterways and
threaten human health.

Go to http://www.savebiogems.org/yellowstone/t...
right away and tell the Bush administration to reject the
proposed Desert Rock power plant.

A global energy company and the Dine Power Authority want to
build the plant on the eastern edge of the Navajo Nation in
northwestern New Mexico.

The Four Corners region is already home to two of the most
polluting power plants in the country. If we don't act now, this
area could soon be besieged by a new wave of environmental
hazards.

In addition to mercury, the proposed Desert Rock plant would
increase emissions of soot and soot-forming pollutants, which
can cause asthma attacks, heart disease and other health
problems.

Furthermore, the Navajo Nation would receive less than five
percent of the projected electricity output from Desert Rock,
even though many Navajo people still have no electricity in
their homes. Most of the power would likely be exported to Las
Vegas and Phoenix.

Last month, NRDC Members and online activists turned out at
public hearings in Albuquerque and Santa Fe to oppose the Desert
Rock plant, which would significantly increase global warming
pollution in New Mexico at a time when states should be working
to curb these dangerous emissions.

Please add your voice to this outcry. Go to
http://www.savebiogems.org/yellowstone/t...
right away and tell the Bush administration to reject the
proposed Desert Rock power plant and instead develop new
initiatives that focus on energy efficiency and clean, renewable
energy solutions.

Thank you for helping to protect the environment of New Mexico
and the Four Corners region.

Sincerely,

Frances Beinecke
President
Natural Resources Defense Council

You either have it or you don't with respect to being able to think on your feet. Howard has it. Edwards - not so much.

Yes. Licking your finger and holding it up to see which way the wind is blowing takes too much time in a Q&A. 

Edwards answered questions from  a woman positive for HIV about how to fight the stigma. and a woman with parents needing care for a chronic medical condition and how that fit into his universal health care plan. and also one about using the United Nations and diplomacy, besides the food safety issue and trade with China.

no notes no teleprompter

He thinks well on his feet. and is willing to bet his audience does too, by willing to test it at every stop.

His tribute to Howard went something like "past Democratic candidates have been like a football team coming on the field and spotting the opponents 40 points but Howard Deans fifty state strategy is changing that. Can a Democrat win in Oklahoma? Now there is a football state, can a Democrat win? What about Kansas? or Louisiana? well we have Governors in all those states!". 

Edwards is a better candidate than he was four years ago and it is why he is leading in Iowa. And he has picked up on Howard's message. the sincerest form of flattery

bbl

off to see Richardson

I'm liking Edwards more, prolly becuz I like Elizabeth so much.  Yes, he made that snotty remark to Dean.  It was during the campaign and I've cut him slack. 

Any perfect husbands out there?  Well, no perfect candidate. 

Thanks, Susan.  Yes, indeedy, breeders.  Many Catholics too.    I lived in Mexico for 4 years and they kept talking about how god would provide for their abundant children....many fathers drinking, mothers frightened and overwhelmed...

Gore/Dean 

new thread

I'm liking Edwards more, prolly becuz I like Elizabeth so much.

That's your business, but for me it would be the worst and last reason to like or support a candidate. 

<>Yes, he made that snotty remark to Dean.  It was during the campaign and I've cut him slack.

<>Slack for his record and sympathy for his wife is all Edwards has to stand on. 

<>Any perfect husbands out there?  Well, no perfect candidate.

In that case, I'll take Hillary&Bill.