charlie brown, congrats. hope u uphold the values of a true progressive.

It's a fine day, Charlie Brown. :)

I would like to see Phil Donahue brought back to our TV!

Let's see if ABC is smart and offers Donahue a job.

Jim

How about we have some transparency in the voting next time?

We should have a link to the totals and how much a role IRV played in the outcome.

4. I second that, but I'm sure that's not a surprise coming from me. :)

4. I second that, but I'm sure that's not a surprise coming from me. :)

sorry for the double post.

Standing With Harry Reid
by John Kerry [Subscribe]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/26/...

...Kerry's getting hip with blogging...he even posted "tip jar".

:)

bbl

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Congrats Charlie Brown!

Howard will be on CNN sometime during the show, don't know when.

Can you kindly provide the final voting results, i.e. totals or percentages?????

I often wish Kerry hadn't dropped out of the prez primary. I think he learned so much from his mistakes in 2004, has "matured" a great deal, and has an influencial, environmentally sound wife,

11.

Joan* In*Florida

UH, OH, don't get me started.

...tooo late :)

I (as most know) live in Cincinnati when JK QUICKLY conceded, after promising to count every vote. That's after all those horrible reports of voting problems and incredible lines. We all were screaming and pleading for him to ask for a recount. I was even making calls from my home double checking how people voted. He was infuriating.

WELL, when he came out for our "stepitup" event to promote his book, he talked a bit about that. He's been using Al Gore to promote his book, but never thanked or acknowledged Al Gore for his efforts on Global Warming, paving the way for him to write this book and get the attention he is getting. Then someone yelled out from the audience about Bush. He said "oh, don't get me started on Bush". Then he said he "wanted to thank everyone there for their hard work and support, too bad I couldn't get you all to move to Ohio". I screached, "oh, no. He did not just say that" But he did, enough to even get my hubby to yell out "WE DID...."but I covered his mouth and didn't let him finish.

I could NOT believe he went there and blamed Ohioans that way, when he walked away....HELL, handed over the election that way.

12.LIVED, not live

If the Dems continue to vote to fund the Occupation of Iraq, then they are to blame as well.  Let's not be hypocrites here.  Cindy and Norman are right.

One thing's for sure. DCDems will only come as close to doing what's right as the closeness of their feet held to the fire. Cut 'em no slack.

I often wish Kerry hadn't dropped out of the prez primary. I think he learned so much from his mistakes in 2004

I imagine what he learned (or finally figured out) is that nobody likes him. In 2004 he was the default choice after the assassination of Dean. 

Congrats Charlie!

 Now, when you win the Special Election against Tom Sullivan after Doolittle gets convicted (or indicted and resigns to spend more time with his family), I hope you don't mind if we keep the fire lit underneath you.  ;o))

 We're sure you'll do a great job, but we'll be there to remind you if the DLC'rs try to pull you over to the right.

We need to get Clean Money campaigns in CA so you don't have to worry about the DLC/corporate influence that so many succumb to.

Congratulations to Charlie.

 I'd really like to see the voting results. I'd like to know how much interest the contest generated and how close the voting was.

howard was just on and blitz was practically giving a speech.

then wolf pulled a "gotcha" on howard, tried to ask why at a speech howard said that the media couldn't be trusted to give the right info.

he should have said "that is why I said it" you never give the right info.

corporate whores.

At Sacramento for Democracy, we use DemoChoice.org for our Ranked Voting elections.  They provide a nice graph so that you can see the results after the election:

Here are the results of a real S.F. election: 

http://www.demochoice.org/dcresultsum.php?poll=real.SF04D1 

It would be nice to see something like that.

HOWARD SIGHTING...

Back from Italy and lambasting Giulliani. Howard interviewed on Blitzer Situation Room. CNN at just past 5:30, repeating at 7:30.

I dunno Sitka, Kerry got nearly 50 mil votes.
I was really angry about conceding the Ohio count. The logic is the uncounted votes did not equal the difference in votes to Bush so he conceded.
But principles do count for something and the principle is to count all of the votes.

You may not like Kerry and I saw Dean as a rank amateur who had no business on the big stage. We can continue this war of words forever but it is pointless as we have a common enemy in the WH and neither of our favored candidates is running...

Sitka,
I do agree with you that if Dems fund the war then they own it. They must stand fast and force Bush to bring the troops home.

As an aside, we must all contact our elected officials and media outlets with demands to support the get-out-of-Iraq bill.
If they don't then they are just as bad as the Repubs.

I saw Dean as a rank amateur who had no business on the big stage

___________________________________________________________________________

dog,

Why? isnt the country that you served supposed to be free for "anybody can become president"?

Maybe its time for some "amateurs" to inherit the WH and govt in general.I mean, they couldnt do much worse as compared to the so called 'professionals'....................

Tel ya what..........you wanna really turn this country around?  Put a non politician in based on this platform.........1)nuclear freeze and reduction 2)military cuts across the board and demilitarization, 3) universal health care  4) more teachers and police  5)free college education for anyone who wants it  and a NEW Deal..................foreign policy re-asesment and immediate dialogues with all nations and factions.............0 dependance on foreign oil for transport

Now, this wont happen of course and idealistic except for a majority of the rest of the planet..............and the country is/will be declining for decades to come..................but its worth a try............

20.

Husband, Father, Wall Street whiz, Medical Doctor, Legislator, and Governor - and did a really swell job at each. Candidate for the Democratic Party Presidential nomination who moved the Party away from wholesale endorsement of unprovoked pre-emptive war, now the Chairman of the DNC doing a great job (according to 97% of Dems)...


BTW what is it you are former at? Rank idiot?

Hello former, your claim to fame is what again??

I believe that Howard Dean is closer to the answer than a thousand like you. Say, are you that bald Clintonista guy with the horrid attitude, married to that reThug witch?

OOPS those should have been addressed to dog soldier

sorry former i had that all mixed up in my brain

Trying again...

Dog soldier are you james Carville, or just a wanna be?

 Howard Dean was great on MSNBC and CNN today. Video is up at the DNC for the first one.

http://www.dnc.org/a/2007/04/governor_dean_o_27.php

 Haven't seen a video from CNN yet, but will put the transcript later. He blasted Rudi for not being prepared for 9/11.

Also I am getting concerned about many of our Southern Baptists. Since I was one of them, I can speak out. I think they are becoming more about control of women than about religion. In fact more about control, period.

Here's a couple of the Conservative Warriors:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1296

They say the secular world is dangerous to Christians.  No, it is now.

Even tho I didn't vote for Brown, I congratulate him.

I haven't read this thread yet...just got home...MSNBC reporting just now that Obama was seen entering Clinton's holding place or whatever it's called.  Watch how they work together today.  They're planning a Clinton/Obama ticket and I believe the the repugs will have a Jebbie/Rice ticket.  IMO  We shall see.

Fair question, former or was it Sitka...I'm skimming too fast.  We also need to take into account the Palestinians. 

CM already calling the debate for Obama...Bustards! 

26.
Nope...I saws a lot of flaws with Dean as well as his strengths and new he could never be President.
That being said, it is time to move on unless you care to trade barbs...

Read up a few posts..you folks continue to live in never-never land.

Deans platform was and is similar to a lot of Dem platforms which is great. However, he had no experience in big matters. A small state where he has little authority is not much of a proving ground for the world stage.
I supported him until the end of Iowa and moved to Kerry who I new of from previous issues. (VNVAW, etc).
He did great with the internet and all other candidates benefited from his experience.
Turning the reins over to a rank amateur is absurd. Even governors experienced in world events struggled when elected.
Dean is in a perfect spot now as all of his considerable talents are being used.

Hillary and Obama are standing together in the middle.  Chance?

Don't like it already lol 

HC is not answering the first question.  She's filibustering. 

I know the history of Kerry well and I certainly didn't expect to get a hip-hip-hurrah for him to join the primary campaign.

When I think about the other candidates running now, he doesn't look any worse than any of them.

bbl

32. Not very impressive. Biden didn't answer the question either.

Does it take that much courage to say your support what Harry Reid said? Wimps.

your s/b you.

28. LOL man, did they call it wrong.

I am glad Kerry is not running.
He has a more important function which is work as hard as possible to get us out of Iraq. He has been a giant in this effort and if he was running, his efforts would not be taken very seriously.

I don't want to be snarky but I can't stand Theresa. She always acts like she is on drugs.

Gravel is rockin' and smokin'. You tell 'em Gravel!

{{{Mike Gravel}})

Gravel is wonderful!

Clinton and Obama are in a love fest and saying nothing.

You know I may not like Hillary much these days, but she is doing well.

41. LOL Their goal. Only Hill is doing it better.

Oh no! Son of a mill worker...I knew it would be coming.

Oh nooo..not the millworker speech...Abe Lincoln again!

Gravel and Richardson are being pretty much ignored.  Obama and Hillary have been speaking the most.

LOL, I gotta' get off this blog. This is going to be rough.

Richardson better get cues to change the look on his face everytime the camera shoots him.

ding, ding, ding "maybe I was last" eeehhhhh, (buzzer).

Good one Dennis.

BTW, Dennis will be on Real Time with Bill Maher tomorrow night.

I agree with most of what Kucinich says but he is like nails on a chalkboard to me. He seems like he would be such a moody, snippy man.

uhhh ha ha ha....Biden!

dog soldier you sound like an Oler wannabe.  at every opportunity you insult the whole group here as if we are all the same, think the same, act the same.  how very foolish of you.  it doesn't lend much weight to your arguments.  if we suck so much, why are you HERE?

Gravel is stealing the show. How old is he?

Hillary and Obama are not impressive. All rhetoric.

Bravo, Gravel!

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Hillary is way too monotone and rehearsed.

I love Gravel.  The CM will call him angry and unhinged.  I also like Kucinich.

Is seashell giving a hug to Gravel right now? :0

LOL....YES!

Could we have a bat for Gravel?  I think he'll be my second choice.

Gore/Gravel ?

Edwards really missed the boat on late term abortion. I am ticked that Brian Williams used the *most people in this country* are against *partial-birth* abortion. I guess he missed Bill Moyer's show last night.

So Dodd looked into Robert's eyes and believed him.  Poor judge of character.

52,
Not all of us like kool-aid but there are several undeserved digs above. We had this discussion earlier. I am not one to follow any group without reason.
Why I am here is a valid question and I really have no answer. Some of you have opinions and logic that really interest me. some of you make no sense at all.
You certainly are not very friendly....
Maybe that is because Dean crashed and burned in the infancy of his campaign and you can't get over it.
Unlike Oler, I don't berate you for your preceived lack of logic. The last I heard, no one here as all the answers.

So since I can't tell you why I am here perhaps it is better to go elsewhere...
Thanks for forcing me to figure it out. I seem to be wasting my time anyway.
adios

EEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHH, A national pool to buy in to if you don't have Insurance already?

Buzzer number 2.

Hillary is doing better. More direct now and less b.s.

So far Edwards is the only one saying he's pay for health care by rescinding the tax cuts.  Obama and Clinton ducked the question. They have no business being candidates IMO.

I just bought a new tv, don't make me throw something through it. Hubby will not be happy.

Can you believe Obama had the nerve to say that about health care after all the talk? I guess when he was talking about "rationing" in New Hampshire...HE MEANT IT. Limit health care. Terrible.

When I think about the other candidates running now, he doesn't look any worse than any of them.

That's why so few are exited at this point.

As for me, I hold Gravel and Kucinich in much higher regard than Kerry.

So Dodd looked into Robert's eyes and believed him.  Poor judge of character. 

He believed Ayatolla Cheney and Bushbeast too. 

I apologize for my harsh comments to dogsoldier.  I am wicked sick of bullyish insults and narrow-minded blanket statements and I responded to it with a total lack of civility.

69 - and I don't mean just on the blog - the whole country seems to be full of incivility and it's starting to piss me off, which is exactly the wrong way to react.  it should be making me determined.  perhaps that's the next stage.

If Gore doesn't run, I'm thinking

Edwards/Kucinich

Dennis is the only one who knows we're not in a global war on terror.  Plus I like the rest of what he says.

Most of these below average people are still thinking friend/enemy.  

Kucinich definitely needs to be at the very least in the cabinet.

{{{ Jo }}} we all have our moments.

We're a bit south of DC for the night, good weather and decent traffic made for a nice day on the road :-)

Dinner just arrived... bbs

I actually like Edwards the best of all of them -- but that's not saying all that much. LOL!

Obama didn't cut it for me. Hillary did better the latter half. Kucinich says the right things but he's so bloody prickly. Gravel is a straight-shooter but he's not even ont he radar.

I also liked Edwards the best.  Matthews is already crowning Hillary or Obama.  The CM is going to decide for us, just watch.  Damn CM.

Edwards is much more honest and speaks from his heart.  

Gore/Dean 

When is Gore gonna enter this race? Then I'll be energized!!!!!!! ;-)

Yes, it's demoralizing to watch and listen.  The people who have the best ideas will not get CM time.  Gravel did show some arrogance, complaining that he wasn't being  given enuf time.

Congratulations Lt Col Charlie Brown (USAF ret.?) !

Richardson did very well.

Gravel was ignored and became somewhat theatrical.  Don't get me wrong - I love the guy.  I say that MSNBC did not help him.

mary vb and seashell - I agree. Edwards was SUPER!

Richardson is toast. I like a lot of what Kucinich & Gravel say, but neither has a clue on how to present their positions effectively. Dodd just about put me to sleep, Obama seemed lost much of the time, and when Hill was talking about Columbine I thought she was going to cry - probably thinking about how she was losing ground right that minute and almost certainly will NOT get the nomination. LOL

MSNBC was ABYSMAL - why did they go to side shots on the show of hands questions, so it was almost impossible to see the response (was so glad that Edwards kept his hand down on GWOT)? why did they give Hillary and Obama so much more time than anyone else? why did they have so many "gotcha" questions instead of asking about real questions? what was with all those across-the-board questions that only 1 or 3 people actually had time to answer? and to come on immediately after and crown Obama and Hillary the winners - how utterly unprofessional.

Matthews is an Imas.

52.

Well said Jo, no need to apologize to offensive interlopers.

Thanks to the Democrats in the Senate for leaving the pResident to remove his last bit of clothing.

There mr boyking, veto money for troops in the field you moron. I hope the idiot reThugs cheer to the skies when he does, their doom.

P.S. now send him a bill to remove them all., and only money for that. Bingo.

I wish Tweety would shut his boca and let Olbermann ask some questions. Cripes.

Biden, Richardson, Clinton go forward

unpleasant as that is to so many friends 

mary vb

>

I move that motion.  Is there a second? 

btw - whatever happened to Howard being first?

and

Gore/Dean in 08!

Richardson/Dean 08

84. Imn2Paine

Richardson goes forward? he sounded like a blithering idiot; and being the NRA's lapdog does not sit well with Dem primary voters.

88.

Plus he pledges to be James Bakers best buddy if elected.

86. Roger that!!

I thought with Richardson's performance and answers, he would have no reason to move on. Along with a couple others.

I agree Biden probably surprised the most in his performance. Then Hillary and Edwards. Biden really didn't have to answer too many questions on specifics.


Please, Please, Run, Al, Run!!!

IMO the most impressive response in the entire debate was Edwards turning the question about Russia being an enemy or a friend to a serious look at changing the dynamic of America's leadership in the world. very good points, very cogently put together and delivered. he makes so much more sense than Biden/Obama/Hill's macho talking points about "being strong".

Richardson goes forward? he sounded like a blithering idiot

>

~~Well, I only saw from a bit before 8, so maybe I missed that part.  

I acknowledge that many didn't like when Richardson took time in answering a question to address what he would have done had America been attacted...his answer won the debate(on that question).  Richardson's answer made small Edwards' answer on what he would have done.  Edwards lost ground. 

~~and being the NRA's lapdog does not sit well with Dem primary voters.

>

The NRA can bite me, but Richardson's OK

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Gravel just (basically) to Mathews to EF OFF!  Yearh! 

I'd vote for Howard Dean!   The biggest threat to the Republican Kingdom that ever was...they spent well ovr $100 million  and all kinds of dirty tricks (thousands of Republicans called people at home before the vote at 3:00 a.m. in the morning - and said they were DEANIACS.  SO scared they were.  The FIRST man to say "this war is wrong!".   And then there were MILLIONS of us.  They couldn't get us all. : )   Tired of being intimidated by Ashcroft and being UNpatriotic.  Republicans MADE the media go along with the "cut off the applause sound that was deafening when Howard was giving his speech...and INSIST that this was "not a mental good".   SO AFRAID of Howard Dean were they that even months after Howard was out of the running - the only one Bush mentioned in a speech with his 'snear' was --- Howard Dean!   Too bad George, now Howard is laughing at you.   The first one who got mass young people and ALL people to donate on line - the FIRST to say "WE HAVE THE POWER!"...and convince us.  The beginning - of the end of Republican corruption.  NOW the Head of the Democratic Party - and ..uh...we're winning!  Now that we mostly have the Republican owned voting machines being watched.... NO PROBLEMS FOR DEMOCRATS.   We won the election in 2000 and 2004.  And we'll win all the rest of them. 

 Such a breath of fresh air watching Howard on CNN....you always know he's going to do GREAT...cuts through the bull...and talks 'to us'.  

We'll always have your back, Howard. : )

 Other than that, I'm voting for Joe Biden....... : )( : +

Paine, I turned off Matthews , I couldn't hear them blathering Corporate Wet Dreams.

What happened with Gravel?

84. :-P agreeing to disagree

I'm not hopping on w/ anyone yet, but it won't be any of those 3

5 peppercorn, eh? will be zipping in and out of VT next Monday - shoot me your snail mail and i'll send ya some. Really :-)

dog soldier

>

http://www.miguelruiz.com/fouragreements.html

1. Be Impeccable With Your Word
Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love.

2. Don't Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering.

3. Don't Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse and regret.

Just back from watching he debate...my wife said that Molly Ivins would be proud as Molly loved bomb throwers and Gravel threw a few. I think the format for the debate sucked...equal time was not alloted...so what if fewer questions were asked.

 Wife said in regards to a woman's preganacy rights...Republicans love babies 'till they're born. 

Thankful I agree. Regardless that they had good "performances", there's alot more there. Record, Corporate Interests...just a couple things that come to mind.


Anxious to hear how Gore's free Lecture in....Clinton, NY went. I'm only getting reports on tomorrow's sold out venue.

93.

Yes he did Paine...but politely enuf so Chris ate it...LOL

Note if you will, dog soldier never denied being Carville.

You are not playing with novices here. Write it down, study it often.

94. I'm with you 100%

Oh wait - except for voting for Biden. A big no thanks with that one!

95 Linda*in*SFNM

~What happened with Gravel?

>

Well, first off, I hyped when I said Gravel told "Mathews is an Imus" to ef off.   He didn't say that.

Gravel stood his ground

and displayed his intelligence and spunk as he was unable to while on stage.

>

A true lady in disagreement.  Well done. 

Gee...me spelling be bad tonite...bad Molson ; )

Maybe that is because Dean crashed and burned in the infancy of his campaign and you can't get over it.
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dog,

In the "infancy"? You must be joking.........he sarted at the back of the pack, a virtual unknown.....caught fire in early 2003 and into that summer.....gained leader status well into 2004 and then with the dirty politics in iowa, a questionable campaign startegy there and in NH, attacks by the foolish media .............it was only after all this that the campaign faltered................

HD was like a breath of fresh air to people like me(and trust me i didnt agree with him on several issues and told him so) but with that guy you gained a sense that he was aware that this country was in deep shit under Bush....................HD, while rough around the edges and at times unpolished to me represneted all that a politician should be, one that truly represented the people.................and after all, thats what its supposed to be about right?

Regrettably,  knew kerry/edwards was doomed from the outset...and sadly resigned myself to the fact that for a people and antion to growand learn......we had to survive 4 more years of bush..........a nightmare scenario, but the real test now remains.....................has this nation learned anything the past 6 years?

99. Reed, agree with that!...all

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97. Thankful...yeah, Cabot makes a great 5 peppercorn cheese and the Cheese Trader in Burlinton has some deal that they purchased their bulk odd lots. Like the misshaped chunks. At least they used to, the last time I was able to go to Burlington. :(

in July 2004. A great cheese and wine selection! OH and coffee. :)

106. lol, is there such a thing - bad Molson. Jess & I are enjoying a Stella :-)

bad Molson

?

Never!  (if my memory is accurate)) 

Paine, thanks, I'll see if it's still recording on tv to find it.

Reed, no, no, not bad Molson...obviously GOOD Molson. :)

While Gravel may have been frustrated by being shut out for so long...the rest are just fluff. Do we want a warrior or a cuddle blanket?

LOL, well, I'd say there's a great agreement.

Good Molson!

109-110-111...

 Yes, GOOD MOLSON : ) 

Biden had an excellent remark about others on stage...he said something about

happy talk not cutting it. 

Ya, he made points with the middle/independents

skål Reed  

Paine, I thought Biden did well too. Gift of gab was short with the "NO" answer. Wife likes Biden a lot too, has donated to Obama but is warming to Gravel...all are the same to me other than Kucinich and Gravel.

skål Paine

Paine I like your 4 words. #3 is my downfall.

Why is Mathews still onTV ?

~wasn't he one of the whores who pushed Enron in the 90's ? 

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food Molson, goos Stella - guess I'm a good Belgian :-)

115. each had theri comment about blow-dried hair, hig falutin' talk... little jabs at other candidates

116/118 ♥ Edwin ♥

Kucinich

He needs just a little more work on his ...pull out the Constitution and ...speech.

He almost had me in tears.  Well, I wanted it to be that moment. 

Almost!  So, keep workin' on that Mr K. 

♥ Edwin ♥

skål, brother 

Thankful...I was going to ask if Jess and you had made it to VA yet but 122 leads me to think you have...{{{puddle}}}

 Howie

Yeah..., Gravel has stolen the show...lol.
As soon as candidate sounds common sense media is suddenly losing him. (Kucinich comparing to Gravel rather a dreamer not a fighter).

Give them some heat, Gravel...lol and some more common sense (...Who are you afraid of Joe?)

But if seriously..., it is a comedy, Holywood..., 300 millions people to follow what one person say...

JOKE!

Three states:  Like Oregon, Washington and Montana, with governors.  I mean, we have ‘blue’ and ‘red’ states.   TAKE the wasted billions and move the Sunni’s in Shi’ite territory (those that want to) to the Sunni State.  Give them  houses, markets, schools.  .  Make SURE the oil profit is evenly divided.  They will all have hope of a secure future and work hard for their 'state'.  Eventually, the ugliness we brought to the country will pass..and they'll start moving across borders again.

So maybe Barrack as Vice President.   Hilliary is a wonderful person, but – I really think New York and our Senate need her the most.  Dodd would make a great Secretary of Defense.  Richardson –  U.S. Diplomatic Adviser.  Edwards, Voice of the American People to the President.  Kucinich – the Whitehouse BRAIN.  Obviously the smartest and most aware of facts and definitely to replace the injured “Brain”,  Karl Rove.   Gravel,  Public Relations with the Media.  Wasn’t he great!?    Did I miss anybody?

Paine...heard Three Dog Night "Black & White" on the radio today, another I don't own...twas a young teen back then. What has happened to the hope we were enjoying? I guess don't take your eye off the ball.

92.

Jean Wyant
Thu, 04/26/07
9:04 pm

IMO the most impressive response in the entire debate was Edwards turning the question about Russia being an enemy or a friend to a serious look at changing the dynamic of America's leadership in the world. very good points, very cogently put together and delivered. he makes so much more sense than Biden/Obama/Hill's macho talking points about "being strong".

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I think very same show stealer, Gravel make even better, deeper and shorter point when replied "We have no enemies" (...lol, "Who are you afraid of Joe?").

Give them some more hell, Gravel next time...

Did I miss anybody?

>

Nope, just 'bout covered it all;) 

Iraq will become three autonomous regions ...like Biden says. 

former,

... upthread, my bad. i was doing two threads at once, lost track, sorry.

Scarborough just said he debated a woman when he first ran for office

~~~and then the kicker~~~~ 

"...ya just can't go after 'em"

>

I couldn't locate "Black and White" ( 

Iraq's future?

The Shia will not move until al Sistani says, or he dies. Then the Sunni will be pushed into the west, the Kurds will be busy to the north.

We will be securing our borders and getting serious about searches of imports. We also will learn from the chinese poisoning of foodstuffs (pet food tho it be). We will find those ways to not consume Arab oil, they can then drink it or sell it to the chinese.

IMHO

So when they were asked who our 3 best allies are, no one mentioned Israel and then Obama clarified his Palestinian suffering statement by saying that they bring it on themselves...yeah, blame the victims. 

Now we blame the Iraqis becuz they're not getting it together.  Can you imagine someone here forcing crazy fundis and agnostics to get together and have a love fest?

Matthews continues to annoint Clinton.  Another warmonger. 

yep Reed, check in for the retreat tomorrow is a 16:30 so we'll mosey on down the last couple hours - may wander around Richmond a bit on the way.

94. yep
128. hmmmm

133. sheesh

Here be the lyrics Paine...simple song but somtimes simple is better...

Black and White

The ink is black
The page is white
Together we learn to read and write
The child is black
The child is white
The whole world looks upon the sight
The beautiful sight

And now a child can understand
That this is the law of all the land
All the land

The world is black
The world is white
It turns by day and then by night
The child is black
The child is white
Together they grow to see the light
To see the light

And now at last we plainly see
We'll have a dance of liberty
The world is black
The world is white
It turns by day and then by night
The child is black
The child is white
The whole world looks upon the sight
The beautiful sight

The world is black
The world is white
Tt turns by day and the by night
The child is black
The child is white
Together they grow to see the light
To see the light

Here be the lyrics Paine...simple song but somtimes simple is better...

Black and White

The ink is black
The page is white
Together we learn to read and write
The child is black
The child is white
The whole world looks upon the sight
The beautiful sight

And now a child can understand
That this is the law of all the land
All the land

The world is black
The world is white
It turns by day and then by night
The child is black
The child is white
Together they grow to see the light
To see the light

And now at last we plainly see
We'll have a dance of liberty
The world is black
The world is white
It turns by day and then by night
The child is black
The child is white
The whole world looks upon the sight
The beautiful sight

The world is black
The world is white
Tt turns by day and the by night
The child is black
The child is white
Together they grow to see the light
To see the light

Biden had a good line when he said the Rethugs would be better served not wishing for Hillery.

Yup. 

bloggie double posted on me...or did Molson do that?

Did anyone notice Obama's southern  drawl when speaking after the debate?  He's a master manipulator; so is Clinton.

Edwards speaks from the heart and he knows about suffering since the love of his life is very ill and they've lost a child.  These kinds of things permanently change people for the better.  OTOH, putz always had Daddy to bail him out  and was born w/o a heart. Cheney's the devil's spawn.  

Gore/Edwards but that combo won't happen.  Too bad.  We need Edward's compassion.

Gore/??? 

I can't quite place it Reed, but I did like that group.  Those were great days...

Since when does a whole party have to *prove* they would protect us?  Damnnnn putz labeling them guilty and soft on terrorism.

I am clueless -- no more MSNBC in N FL thanks to shyster Comcast.

I got tired of feeling guilty about posting music ramblings here so I've been working on a little blog. It's here http://annilow.blogspot.com/ for anyone who might be interested. As if we needed any more to read LOL

Yup, I'm listening to MSNBC.

It'll be Clinton/Obama vs Bush/Condi

Yuck.  I'm moving! 

guilt is a waste of energy 

I watched most of the debates in sheer horror.  Brian Williams jumped around all over the place both with the candidates and the subjects of the questions.  To me, it looked like a game of "gotcha."  Every one on stage got hammered at least once - what, to make Williams look soooo moderate-wise and cool?   His ignoring Gravel was very crude.  The candidates themselves staged a bit of a revolt, reverting back to previous questions and debating amongst themselves.  I wish, when there are so many people who want to talk at once there would be fewer areas covered and a moderator of Keith Olberman's stature.

 And boy, did I miss Gore.

I wish the format at the debate was such that each candidate had an opening and closing statement, and each addressed the same question. Politics as usual in the great U. S. of A. wi8th this debate.

Sea...yes, I did feel some of the compassion from Edwards, I want a candidate with some gahutas too. Kucinich lived out of a car for a while...getting closer. This debate really sucked other than Gravel IMO and he made his mistakes too...not by what he said but how he said them. This doesn't effect me but it does McDonaldland feeders. While I like what many of the candidate say, there is no plan to implement these ideas into becoming reality. Gravel has a plan, the only plan and it hits hard to the contollers and benefits the workers. CM sucks and I'd move too but can't pry me wife out of this simple little house we call our home, and I go no where without her.

Now off to zzzille...nite all.

145. I was waiting for some brave candidate to point out that we were attacked while the Republicans were on watch.

A bunch of weenies.

Brian Williams

Ya, less  Brian Williams, please.  After all it's about the Democrats.  Same sh1t with the Olympics - face time for the media personalities and little if any of the sport.

Williams was leaning over the podium with his (oh so expensive) spectacles dangling ever so intellectually from his right hand as he intensely formed yet another thoughtful and weighty question.

Give the guy a raise (NOT!) and charge more at the door. 

keep the music posts coming all (even you opera lovers lol) it keeps this space real

New thread and I'm zzz'in.  Be well, bloggie.

151. that would be nice, a real debate. Sweet zzz's.

Nite from me too

♥'s to all

Kindness is free

Phil, I left one on the new thread.  Hope the knee is well.

without DEAN or Gore in the race....Gravel is the voice of sanity.

I'm curious as to how this debate was arranged, and so early. Someone trying to make a certain other look like it is too late to get in? (tin foil on)

was the Campus used as a "set" or did the students make the invite?

my preference is for events where a series of speeches is given,

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hey Phil - News Round-up Thread is up :-)

Nite

I dunno Sitka, Kerry got nearly 50 mil votes.

Sure. Against the worst president in history in a two way contest. 

Spare me.